aiquez wrote:
i think it is difficult not to have at least an agenda / topic .. some things were working indeed ( #FoFritz ) but on the longer run, it has to be clear if it is an art Project or collaborative_system_trial
i got 2 less time in daily life (2 much occupied by work and fam) only in holiday and some free time.
Even tho while your observation is reasonable, and excellent in terms of feedback @aiquez, including our very personal circumstances, it doesn't look like you or @mina are right in terms about clearness of what this is/was from the beginning, or what apparently it mend to be.
The problem in any case is around the setup and/or kind of announcement/invite in a world of microblogging and federated content over different platforms, languages, societies, space, time (and all the rest).
Than there were in part some misunderstandings in terms of platform functionality about getting update notifications, as it was worked out with @mina. The first drafts contained a 25 minute audio that wasn't summed up and didn't get the feedback "requested". Or it didn't get the feedback as expected to become summed up at least in general terms by conversations. If you have a look right now at the first initial post, it's in version v.04 and has a renewed quite simple freeplane mindmap, as the initial idea, the way of presenting it and the time to represent it evolved. Ultimately the proposal is more or less about what an answer to @sinmisterios summed up later on:
bitpickup translated into englisch wrote:
The reality is that this is a string of conversation about:
- how to make us join to create content
- how to create it
- what tools to use to do so
- how to publish the content
and- where to publish it
and all that around a specific topic as a hook for a proof of concept.
Ultimately the proposal is simple and called:
#mitDenken
If you look at it, to a certain extent now we are at a point where even each and every one of the points, except the one of co-editing content, that's the studi0 and the media page part, have been touched or exemplified. Actually, the same happened to #foFritz too. At the same time, quite like in the #foFritz project, the community accounts (bitpickup, jesuisatire (and tierranietos)) have dedicated themselves to the project kinda full time 96/7/365. Others, to more or less extent have joined efforts to add content by comments but not so much questions, clarifying answers or own initiatives. Except @dprieto, who actually went off on a branch that in reality belonged to some specific content by tierranietos. A detail that in the end was useful and a good feedback at the same time because it showed how we perceive the communication out here and in any case gave some hints about what is needed to make things like this proposal work if that is possible at all.
Somehow this "project", the search for how to prevent "the one who is out there all alone" to drown in his #depression, loneliness and #climateGrief, and together with that actually ultimately "how to sustain and protect La tierra de nuestros nietos", tries to tackle exactly "the emptiness of the common social media that programmed us", as pointed out quite neat by @_elena in her latest trailer #theFedi. And if we talk about "try to tackle", we would come to points that weren't even touched, or perhaps were expected to be touched thru feed back conversations about trust, cooperation and so on.
At the same time, main point is and always will be, that most of us are just people out here who are chit-chatting, looking for some entertainment and didn't subscribe, nor requested to become some kind of independent lossless pseudonym ONG to fulfill the expectations of others. So the first point of the sum-up, "how to join forces", has worked out to a certain extent by addressing contacts out of specific reasons. At the same time those contacts became kinda baffled because they found themself in comments and discussions that looked off-topic for them. Even more because they by themselves did not out of an own impulse "subscribe" to some #greenPeaceLastGenerationTwoPoint0 project and there for not only became confused but even maybe became feed up somehow. And again, all this in an ambience of strangers in a dopamine wanna be social-web short span attention entertainment snippet reality.
In other words, as pointed out by @bitpickup:
- is/was this post string a useful experience?
yes - is/was this a useful experience to build on that can stand/remain as it is?
yes - was it successful?
As of now, not really. - did the initial proposal has "at least an agenda / topic"
Actually it did, but all of you, as for now, never managed to work that out and stumbled over nitpicking details, quite nice chit-chat content, worthy for kind slap stick comic conversation string, and probably strange nerv wrecking results because of dopamine, micro-blogging and previous negative social media experiences which all together create misunderstanding and perhaps even feelings that become perceived as offensive or feeling offended.
At least that is the interpretation from over here.
Last but not least:
aiquez wrote:
the sftp_issue could be interesting
-> collecting_files for activism or arts .. lets see
Actually it looks like this is where the #foFritz-@studi0 project "got stuck" for now, not in terms of creating sftp access in the first place, but in terms of downloading the material for #FOSS co-editing with #KDEnlive, #OBS and/or #GIMP and working out howTo's and how to do that in the first place. In any case, ultimately even an issue that in part ends up in conversations and best practice about trust and creating a #webOfTrust between those involved in a mandatory and by default pseudonym environment, as you are supposed to download a zip/tar.gz and/or files and open them on your system.
btw
Looks like #foFritz actually evolved into #idenTheater and is actually just there, waiting to be used for all kinds of news slaughter, exposure, satirizing of tyrants and all those things.
Last take was the envy of a dying emperor over people who farewelled their beloved humble neighbor who was forced by life to become president for one term.
