2/2 Only this week we learnt that a jury will rank the project and offer prices. Cross your fingers for us 🤞 or even better, join on Matrix at #eu-os:kde.org or for developers at #eu-os-dev:kde.org to offer your help for a competitive advantage! 😉

Also, the first ever merchandise arrived – here presented by "model" Robert. 😇

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4 days until #EU_OS at Paris #HackDays: project lead Robert and few supporters start already the weekend before to increase the chances to have a working Proof-of-Concept by the end of Tuesday. Learn more at https://eu-os.eu 1/2

5 days until #EU_OS at Paris #HackDays: The architecture for EU OS must permit a migration phase in which both #Microsoft #Windows and EU OS run in parallel (hybrid setup). This way, organisations can do tests with only few of their staff (e.g. developers/engineers) while keeping everything as is for e.g. HR/business-critical functions. In principle, staffers may also have a Windows and an EU OS laptop at the same time. 1/2

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Side note, not only have I studied business (which includes an understanding of marketing). I also took a little psychology, which was a requirement of my business degree, but I took a few more courses became the topic interested me (almost considered changing majors). Lastly, I also knew more than a few people who worked for the government, and they were very keen on teaching me about propaganda.

The whole, EU_OS - A Linux distribution for Europeans, while also in the same breath telling us how Fedora, the free upstream to CentOS and IBM's Red Hat, is going to be the foundation of all this... I can already hear the chanting in the background: "USA, USA, USA!"

#EU_OS #Europe #Linux

RE: https://mk.absturztau.be/notes/a8araasihuv8000s

@elebertus@mastodon.social @rriemann@chaos.social @raito@nixos.paris @neo@social.hacktheplanet.be @eu_os@eupolicy.social

As I said, more sources are good things, because as you said, we do not want to necessarily centralize things. But I am OK with Linux distributions being based out of "random location" - Because everything has to come from somewhere.

His thing is marketing, and it appears to be dishonest marketing at that. This whole EU_OS concept came around the same time people were freaking out about the sudden and alarming changes concerning the United States. At a time when people are questioning and rightfully doubting if relying on the USA for so much, this whole time, was in fact a bad idea (it was).

In comes EU_OS (the concept) and with a nice European branding, but American infrastructure (Fedora). That is not an effort to distance themselves from the United States, that is an underhanded tactic to get people to low-key embrace it.

They're not even open to the idea of a "hard fork", choose to keep their concept following Fedora as their upstream. And when you argue their concept, they say, well, it is only a concept -- But they've not addressed anything, because they have no clear plans to do so.

I studied business (Business Management). I know marketing and public relations when I see it. The goal is to be as passive about this while trying to sway people to accept and adapt.

#EU_OS #Europe

@raito@nixos.paris @rriemann@chaos.social @neo@social.hacktheplanet.be @eu_os@eupolicy.social

It's marketing 101

He is marking Fedora Linux, an American distribution, as the idea concept for Europe, at a time when people are trying to distance themselves from the United States.

It is misleading and dishonest.

#EU_OS #Europe

@raito@nixos.paris @rriemann@chaos.social @neo@social.hacktheplanet.be @eu_os@eupolicy.social

As I said, I do not think he is working in good faith.

Anytime some has suggested an actual project within Europe or elsewhere, outside the United States, he doubles down and claims how that is not feasible. Yet, he claims to be wanting his EU_OS is in the best interest of Europe.

I'm an American, and I do not presume American values and American corporations, along with American interest, should be the flagship of Europe.

#EU_OS

EU_OS currently offers only a false sense that they're all European, while completely relying on the USA.

Europe made, registered, and trademarked OSes

* Mageia, France https://www.mageia.org

* Pisi, Turkey https://www.pisilinux.org

* Chimera, Spain https://chimera-linux.org

* NixOS, Netherlands https://nixos.org

* Alpine, Norway https://www.alpinelinux.org

* Open Mamba, Italy https://openmamba.org

* Parabola, France https://www.parabola.nu

* Void, Spain https://voidlinux.org

#EU_OS

There is good reason for Europe to have its own operating system.

But EU_OS is not trying to be an independent European Operating System.

Rather, they're looking to use a USA OS (Fedora) and put a European Flag on it. If they decided they were going to take that OS, and break away from America (a hard fork), which would make them independent, that would be great, but they're not.

As it stands now, EU_OS would be no different from relying on Chian's OS, Deepin Linux.

#EU_OS #Europe

@rriemann@chaos.social @eu_os@eupolicy.social

I am not here to keep score or play games. I am here to inform and educate. Your concept is currently misguided and misleading.

#EU_OS #Europe

If anyone argues, I have an agenda against, EU_OS, the answer is, YES.

I think the overall concept, of having an OS outside the USA, is a good one, because I do believe far too many products and services have become reliant on the United States. And sadly, the United States is becoming a fascist regime. - That is the opinion from an American (me). I will tell you honestly, do not trust my country right now.

EU_OS has implied they want to be a European Operating System, but they're not looking to become independent, and rather rely on Fedora Linux, which is all American. It's a good operating system, but so is Deepin Linux, reliant on China, and I would not advise you to rely on in them either.

#EU_OS #Europe #Linux #Foss

RE: https://mk.absturztau.be/notes/a8abioyecm6n00r1

@rriemann@chaos.social @eu_os@eupolicy.social

You know, going forward, it is my intention to actively campaign against EU_OS. - Sorry.

I do not believe you have, currently, the best intentions, and I believe your concept is misleading in a false sense of security. You can, choose to become independent, as others have, NixOS, for example. Or you're just promoting an American operating system, rebranded. I would not recommend your OS, anymore than I would recommend China's Deepin Linux or Russia's Astra Linux.

You seem to want to ignore this obvious point, and so I do not believe you're acting in good faith.

#EU_OS #Europe #NixOS #Linux #UsJurisdiction

@Linux @eu_os

So to have a debate on #DigitalSovereignty, the definition is of course important and I have no specific one to offer, because it is a difficult topic.

Obviously, the (implied) local jurisdiction is part of your definition.

How meaningful is this if all countries wanted to be digital sovereign? Think of horizontal projects such as systemd/kernel.

Currently, money and experts are rare and investments must be strategic. #EU_OS cannot fork everything.

@rriemann@chaos.social @eu_os@eupolicy.social

I have provided a list of operating systems that would just fine for people living in South America, Africa, etc.

" Your proposals seem to promote protectionism."

@rriemann@chaos.social @eu_os@eupolicy.social

I think I defined it pretty clearly, and you're deflecting:

" Notice: The nature of open source software means contributors of code, financial support, and repository mirrors, may come from anywhere, world-wide. This list focuses on the organization or group, and their registered jurisdiction, or if not registered, their implied jurisdiction. "

https://codeberg.org/Linux-Is-Best/Outside_Us_Jurisdiction/src/branch/main/Operating_System.md

@rriemann@chaos.social @eu_os@eupolicy.social

The mindset behind it is incorrect.

You want to be outside Us Jurisdiction?

Notice: The nature of open source software means contributors of code, financial support, and repository mirrors, may come from anywhere, world-wide. This list focuses on the organization or group, and their registered jurisdiction, or if not registered, their implied jurisdiction.

I think Fedora Linux is one of the most user-friendly operating systems Linux current has to offer, but it is still America's bitch, because it falls under US Jurisdiction.

If you want something outside the control legality of the United Stated, Fedora is not that operating system, and you cannot just rebrand it as "Europe's OS" when there are actually real OS's made in Europe, registered in Europe, and trademarked in Europe.

https://codeberg.org/Linux-Is-Best/Outside_Us_Jurisdiction/src/branch/main/Operating_System.md

#EU_OS

@Linux @eu_os

What is incorrect? Can you be more specific?

#ReactOS uses US-based Github.

https://github.com/reactos/reactos

I think that's ok if the exit cost is low. Same for #EU_OS. Once people start using it, they may consider to have a build server in the EU. Do we now need to change the architecture because of this? I do not think so.

6 days until #EU_OS at Paris #HackDays: EU OS is a so-called atomic operating system that offers interruption free software updates thanks to #bootc (bootable container) technology. While people work, bootc downloads and installs unnoticeable to the user the update. After the next computer restart (trigged by the user), EU OS switches to the new version. If something breaks, the user can roll back. 1/2

#Linux #DigitalSovereignty #Microsoft #Windows #Trump #Khan #Tariffs #sysadmin #endof10

♻️ Reboost please! Some people say #EU_OS should try to reach out to politicians who use BlueSky instead of Mastodon. EU OS has there so far about 130 follows and on Mastodon 1600. If you use both, please reach out to your BlueSky network: follow and share EU OS on BlueSky!

https://bsky.app/profile/eu-os.eu

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