⬆️ @stuffifound

>> It didn't start that 7th of Oct, it started in 1948.

Also, let's not forget who started it in 1948. #Palestinians have amnesia AGAIN, as they do after every major conflict.

#Palestine hasn't been free in over 500 yrs (under #Ottoman rule since 1517, #British after 1917), but that was not a problem for them until #Israel came into existence in 1947.

Summary ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/112441506433338888

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

Paywall-free archive of original ➡️ https://archive.ph/G5rAX#selection-769.417-769.630

⬆️ @Nazani

>> Perhaps the obsession with sacred #martyrdom precludes "what if we end up worse off" reflection.

Yes, exactly! As the author of the original essay wrote:

"A people on the cusp of #liberation instead suffered war deaths and the moral rot caused by the veneration of suicide and murder."

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #VenerationOfSuicide #InTheirName #Palestine #Israel.

⬆️ @Tattered

>> #Freedom that is rewriting school textbooks to erase ideas incompatible with Hindutva? As soon as you accept a few million deaths for a better world, you have become a monster.

You have pivoted away from whether accepting a #TwoStateSolution proposed by #UN for #BritishIndia as well as for #BritishMandate in #Palestine was better for all.

#Hindutva is a different monster.

#EcstasyAndAmnesia is #worthReading if you haven't read it already ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/112441485737099304

@badrihippo

⬆️ Time to boost 🧵 #EcstasyAndAmnesia again… #WorthReading

Hard to miss the sudden and magical end to the conflict as #Biden retires.

Noting that correlation ≠ causation, I posit that the conflict was contrived for a specific objective, that objective was achieved, and like #DamascusProtocol, it was NOT dreamt up in consultation with #Palestinians, nor had #Palestinian interest in mind.

Once again, ecstasy will subside, amnesia will set in, and Palestinians will let others fight #inTheirName

⬆️ @Skyye

>> Bullshit. A quick google shows: Israel gained some territory formerly granted to Palestinian Arabs under the United Nations resolution in 1947. A map showing progression of Israel controlled land shows Israel steadily gaining almost the entire area.

It's not "bullshit".

I'm going to be a bit more patient and tolerant because you seem uninformed, not a hostile troll.

Do you know WHEN #Israel gained that territory and what happened between 1947 and THEN? See #EcstasyAndAmnesia 🙂

⬆️ @karlggestd

>> it is no surprise that…

You didn't get the memo? 😂

>> …we have taken the side of the first Nazi government at the first opportunity. But apparently it doesn't matter what the members of that government themselves say. You have chosen to look the other way. Like so many others in the last century.

You have amnesia. See #EcstasyAndAmnesia

@GottaLaff

⬆️ @Catawu @mcnado

>> I think you’re being sealioned by someone conveniently skipping over past & current history of Israel’s illegal occupation of Gaza.

See the many posts and long threads on my timeline regarding the conflict in the #MiddleEast, many of which are readily accessible through hashtags in my profile.

One of the best is #EcstasyAndAmnesia, based on a 3rd party essay that will keep you from "conveniently skipping over past & current history of Israel’s illegal occupation of Gaza."

⬆️ @ajaykaul10

Yes, #Nasser was not just opposed to #Israel, he was ecstatic too.

See the hashtag #EcstasyAndAmnesia in which I summarized a very well researched essay by #ShanyMor on the situation in the #MiddleEast.

That essay is scholarly and somewhat long, but there is a link to the archived version of the full original essay in the thread itself.

The summary thread starts ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/112441485737099304

@ekis @Properganda @tartley @Lane @chiclet @GatekeepKen @nikatjef @Grant_M @CivilityFan

⬆️ @ArenaCops @AxiosNews @axios-AxiosNews

This is as good a time as any to re-up the #EcstasyAndAmnesia in #Gaza thread ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/112441485737099304

#Palestinians need to learn their true history, not just what #Hamas-simps at UNRWA schools teach them, and as you pointed out, they need serious self-reflection on top of that

⬆️ #EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

It’s remarkable that since US media kicked up a shitstorm over #Biden’s age (and only Biden’s age), the calls for Biden to step aside BECAUSE of alleged #genocide in #Gaza have virtually disappeared, even though war rages all the same in the #MiddleEast and #Palestinians are once again being displaced.

#Ecstasy and #Amnesia indeed.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-07-10-2024-6358a61735f0e30132decce781860594

⬆️ #EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

"Jews would not have continued to come" implies #Jews came to #Palestine

That does not negate the fact that Jews also had a continuous presence on the land since pre-Biblical times

That also does not negate the fact that many were forcibly driven away at multiple times from wherever they settled ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/111494007586354401

That also needs to be squared with #HamasCharter asserting rights of displaced #Palestinians to return but denying displaced Jews the same

⬆️ #EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

On #amnesia, #antisemitism, #bigotry, #victimBlaming, and the #Russian-seeded narrative of #IsraeliApartheid…

Yes, #Russia, where virulent antisemitism has been documented forever, is where the contrived notion of "Israeli Apartheid" originated.

⬆️ @janisf

>> 1 side always accuses other side of forgetting other's pain.

Do you acknowledge that #Israel acted in defense, and people have amnesia about #Hamas launching #Oct7?

>> We need to figure out a way forward

Yes

>> which means we need to first understand the pain

Yes, but even before that, we need to understand what caused it in the first place.

I read the piece you linked. Would you read #EcstasyAndAmnesia? Start here ➡️ https://mastodon.social/@rameshgupta/112441485737099304

@DarkMatterZine @kravietz @Nochem

⬆️ #EcstasyAndAmnesia

@DarkMatterZine You have forgotten about #Hamas #Oct7, haven't you.

That is such quick amnesia, and it ALWAYS follows after every terrorist attack and war started by Hamas and #Palestinian factions

It is people like you who give them succor by forgetting who started a conflict and blaming #Israel for defending itself.

@kravietz @Nochem

⬆️ @notwithstanding

Thanks for sharing https://nationalpost.com/opinion/opinion-we-are-anishinaabe-zionists-hateful-anti-israel-camps-disrespect-our-lands

#IgnoraceAndAmnesia

#Colony, #colonizer, and #colonization are maladroitly applied to #Israel by people who are ignorant about the indigeneity of the #Jewish people in the region that is Israel, or by propagandists who refuse to acknowledge that indigeneity.

Also notable: Quick #amnesia about #Hamas #Oct7 and acceptance of revolutionary violence “by any means necessary” again and again and again…

#EcstasyAndAmnesia

@galad

⬆️ @Oeneus@assortedflotsam.com

>> Some of these morons really do think #Hamas is just a harmless activist group. #Oct7 simply never happened.

Yup, that's #EcstasyAndAmnesia and the #PalestinianPredicament in a nutshell

⬆️ @MyNewMinuteNewt @enoch_exe_inc @rightardia @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog

>> All these defenses of Israel's conduct over the last decades always rely on a "might makes right" world view.

I suggest reading some real history before commenting on Israel's conduct.

Also consider #EcstasyAndAmnesia if you want to understand the #PalestinianPredicament. Just drowning yourself in propaganda without grounding yourself in facts just makes you look silly

⬆️ @rightardia @enoch_exe_inc @vgoller @prolrage @redfrog

>> Israel has had 76 years to settle with the Palestinians

Isn’t that backwards given that:

1. In 1947 it was #Palestinians who spat on the #UN #TwoStateSolution

2. In 1948 Palestinians let neighboring #Arab states to fight a full-scale war #inTheirName with Israel, and LOST

What led to 1967 #SixDayWar, 1973 #YomKippur War, 1982 #LebanonWar, 2006 #SecondLebanonWar, & 2023 Israel-#Hamas War?

#EcstasyAndAmnesia #PalestinianGuilt

⬆️ #EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

AP continues to report #Nakba as #Arabic for “#catastrophe” referring to the #displacement of #Palestinians rather than #defeat of #Arabs.

#FourthCatastrophe

This is why Palestinians never learn. Their #aggression is ALWAYS recast as their #victimhood, and #Israel’s defense is always recast as #occupation and #oppression

“We lived through [displacement] not just once but several times,” says one #Palestinian without any hint of irony.

https://apnews.com/article/israel-palestinians-hamas-war-news-05-15-2024-e9696aa2da25e447219f2be0c1926b11

⬆️ #EcstasyAndAmnesia #GazaStrip

>> In each of the 3 wars, #PalestinianCause was taken up in a larger global struggle 👀: first, #WorldWarII, then #ColdWar, then #jihadist war against free societies

#TimingIsNoCoincidence

The looming #FourthCatastrophe for #Palestinians is also squarely placed in a larger #globalStruggle, and it is timed for #Election2024.

This time it’s the rise of #oligarchs and #fascists in #US & other liberal countries, #Russian #revanchism, & #China’s global ambitions.