Misskey is defederating itself, huh?
I remember Firefish being neat, but now it's super-dead. Not sure where Sharkey stands anymore. That whole branch of the Fediverse has always seemed cursed.
#Firefish
@sequundi@social.tchncs.de
„Neues QuoteToots” – ich hab das bei #SharKey, seit das noch ein #FireFish war; im #Fediverse funktioniert das (im Unterschied zu Mastodon) recht gut.
@Erdrandbewohner@social.tchncs.de
🎉 Die heutige Fediverse-Sprechstunde ist beendet!
Heute drehte sich alles um #Calckey / #Firefish / #Sharkey – spannende Vertreter aus der Misskey-Familie. Es gab viele interessante Einblicke, Hintergründe und Ausblicke darauf, wie es mit diesen Plattformen weitergehen könnte.
Auch diese Anwendungen haben ganz klar ihre Berechtigung und eine aktive Nutzerschaft, die sehr zufrieden damit ist.
Ein großes Dankeschön an @crossgolf_rebel für die tollen Erklärungen 🙏 und natürlich an alle Teilnehmenden für den regen Austausch. Egal ob #neuhier oder schon erfahren in der Welt des #Fediverse – heute konnten wir alle wieder etwas Neues mitnehmen.
📹 Die Sprechstunde wurde aufgezeichnet und ist ab morgen verfügbar.
📅 Der nächste Termin findet am Montag, 24. November 2025 statt – das wird zugleich die letzte Sprechstunde in diesem Jahr.
Weitere Details folgen.
Lang lebe das Fediverse! 🚀🌐
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Diese Anwendungen im Fediverse sind weniger bekannt und doch haben sie ihren Paltz in der Familie des Ferdiverse. Wie ist der aktuelle STande und wie geht es mit diesen Teil der Familie weiter. Dazu wird uns crossgolf etwas erzählen.
Gemeinsam wollen wir das Fediverse mit all seinen Anwendungen und Möglichkeiten besser verstehen.
💡 Eingeladen sind alle – egal ob Anfänger:in oder erfahrener Nutzer:in von Mastodon, Calckey, Skarkey, Misskey, Hubzilla, Friendica, Pixelfed, Firefish & Co.
👉 Du bist #neu oder #neuhier im Fediverse und suchst Unterstützung bei Profil-Einrichtung, Vernetzung und Funktionen? Dann bist du hier genau richtig!
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Wir erwarten euch!
Hinweis: Für die Hubzilla-Freunde unter euch. Am Mittwoch, den 29.10.2025 findet der nächst Hubzilla-Workshop 19:30 Uhr statt.
#FediverseSpechstunde
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@Bigsby @Doris :fediverse:🦉🇪🇺 @crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts Sagen wir, es hat sich ausgedünnt.
Misskey gibt es natürlich weiterhin. Das ist in Ostasien, vor allem in seinem Heimatland Japan, meines Wissens populärer als Mastodon, auch wenn man sich das als westlicher Mastodon-Nutzer nicht vorstellen kann.
Calckey ist eingestellt worden, dessen Fork Firefish auch, aber es gibt noch Server.
Iceshrimp-JS ist im Wartungsmodus, wird also nicht mehr weiterentwickelt. Iceshrimp.NET ist kein Fork von irgendwas, sondern in C# neu geschrieben worden, aber in Sachen Features ist es von Misskey und den Forkeys meilenweit entfernt.
Der Platzhirsch unter den Forkeys ist nach wie vor Sharkey, das sagenhaft viele Features hat. Im Grunde ist es inzwischen der einzige Forkey, der in der westlichen Welt überhaupt noch eine Rolle spielt. Es gibt zwar einiges an Kritik, aber keine realistischen Alternativen.
CherryPick, das wie Misskey aus Japan kommt ist auch sehr leistungsfähig, aber mein letzter Stand war, daß sämtliche Server bis auf einen in den Großräumen Tokyo und Seoul stehen. Das ganze Projekt ist also wohl noch weit mehr vom Westen entkoppelt als Misskey.
Wie es mit der Entwicklung von Catodon aussieht, weiß ich nicht. Ich schätze, das Problem war einfach, daß Catodon sich zu sehr an Iceshrimp geklammert hat. Nur ist Iceshrimp-JS, auf dem Catodon ja basiert, fast tot, und das neue Iceshrimp.NET ist etwas ganz anderes, so daß man von vorne hätte anfangen müssen, und featuremäßig nicht mal auf Misskey-Niveau. Außerdem ist wohl die Idee, etwas zu bauen, das so einfach zu bedienen sein sollte wie Mastodon, aber mit *key-Unterbau, nicht so gut angekommen. Jedenfalls wird nächsten Monat wohl der letzte noch existierende Catodon-Server schließen.
Hajkey ist schon länger weg vom Fenster. Das war nur für einen einzigen Server aufgezogen worden, und der ist zwischenzeitlich auf Sharkey umgestellt worden, weil es kaum mehr realistisch war, Hajkey aufrechtzuerhalten.
Bezüglich der vielen anderen Forkeys (Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko usw.) bin ich nicht im Bilde.
Ganz neue Forks hat es wohl lange nicht gegeben. Den Aufwand, Misskey zu forken und hinzubiegen, macht sich keiner mehr. Sharkey ist an sich jetzt ziemlich tauglich, und es gibt wohl keinen Grund, der Entwicklerin mit einem Fork ans Bein zu pinkeln. Und Iceshrimp.NET ist noch zu unfertig, um es zu forken, mal ganz davon abgesehen, daß keiner Fediverse-Software in Microsoft C# entwickeln will (aber in Microsoft TypeScript kurioserweise sehr wohl).
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #IceshrimpNET #Sharkey #CherryPick #Catodon #Hajkey #Meisskey #Tanukey #Neko
Misskey gibt es natürlich weiterhin. Das ist in Ostasien, vor allem in seinem Heimatland Japan, meines Wissens populärer als Mastodon, auch wenn man sich das als westlicher Mastodon-Nutzer nicht vorstellen kann.
Calckey ist eingestellt worden, dessen Fork Firefish auch, aber es gibt noch Server.
Iceshrimp-JS ist im Wartungsmodus, wird also nicht mehr weiterentwickelt. Iceshrimp.NET ist kein Fork von irgendwas, sondern in C# neu geschrieben worden, aber in Sachen Features ist es von Misskey und den Forkeys meilenweit entfernt.
Der Platzhirsch unter den Forkeys ist nach wie vor Sharkey, das sagenhaft viele Features hat. Im Grunde ist es inzwischen der einzige Forkey, der in der westlichen Welt überhaupt noch eine Rolle spielt. Es gibt zwar einiges an Kritik, aber keine realistischen Alternativen.
CherryPick, das wie Misskey aus Japan kommt ist auch sehr leistungsfähig, aber mein letzter Stand war, daß sämtliche Server bis auf einen in den Großräumen Tokyo und Seoul stehen. Das ganze Projekt ist also wohl noch weit mehr vom Westen entkoppelt als Misskey.
Wie es mit der Entwicklung von Catodon aussieht, weiß ich nicht. Ich schätze, das Problem war einfach, daß Catodon sich zu sehr an Iceshrimp geklammert hat. Nur ist Iceshrimp-JS, auf dem Catodon ja basiert, fast tot, und das neue Iceshrimp.NET ist etwas ganz anderes, so daß man von vorne hätte anfangen müssen, und featuremäßig nicht mal auf Misskey-Niveau. Außerdem ist wohl die Idee, etwas zu bauen, das so einfach zu bedienen sein sollte wie Mastodon, aber mit *key-Unterbau, nicht so gut angekommen. Jedenfalls wird nächsten Monat wohl der letzte noch existierende Catodon-Server schließen.
Hajkey ist schon länger weg vom Fenster. Das war nur für einen einzigen Server aufgezogen worden, und der ist zwischenzeitlich auf Sharkey umgestellt worden, weil es kaum mehr realistisch war, Hajkey aufrechtzuerhalten.
Bezüglich der vielen anderen Forkeys (Meisskey, Tanukey, Neko usw.) bin ich nicht im Bilde.
Ganz neue Forks hat es wohl lange nicht gegeben. Den Aufwand, Misskey zu forken und hinzubiegen, macht sich keiner mehr. Sharkey ist an sich jetzt ziemlich tauglich, und es gibt wohl keinen Grund, der Entwicklerin mit einem Fork ans Bein zu pinkeln. Und Iceshrimp.NET ist noch zu unfertig, um es zu forken, mal ganz davon abgesehen, daß keiner Fediverse-Software in Microsoft C# entwickeln will (aber in Microsoft TypeScript kurioserweise sehr wohl).
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #IceshrimpNET #Sharkey #CherryPick #Catodon #Hajkey #Meisskey #Tanukey #Neko
🌐 Fediverse Sprechstunde!
🗓️ Montag, 27.10.2025 – 19:30 Uhr
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Hauptthema: #Calckey / #Firefish / #Sharkey mit @crossgolf_rebel
Er war bereits im letzten Jahr mit spannenden Einblicken zu Firefish und Misskey dabei – diesmal widmen wir uns erneut der vielseitigen Fediverse-Familie.
Diese ist groß, bunt und ständig im Wandel. Es geht nicht um Konkurrenz, sondern um Verständnis, Vielfalt und Miteinander. Nur wer die einzelnen Plattformen kennt, kann das ganze Fediverse besser verstehen – ganz gleich, ob man sie selbst nutzt oder nicht.
✨ Neu im Fediverse? Kein Problem!
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🧠 Eingeladen sind alle, die bereits Erfahrungen mit Mastodon, Friendica, Pixelfed, Misskey, Hubzilla oder anderen Anwendungen haben – und ihr Wissen gerne teilen möchten.
💬 Darum lohnt sich die Teilnahme:
:fediverse: Wissensaustausch – Deine Erfahrungen können Einsteiger:innen helfen, sich besser zurechtzufinden.
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Das Treffen findet auf unserem BigBlueButton-Server statt.
Du brauchst keine zusätzliche Software – nur einen Browser (am besten Firefox oder Chrome), ein Mikrofon 🎙️ und, wenn du magst, eine Webcam.
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Anschließend sprechen wir über Themen für Instanzbetreiber und Moderator:innen.
Ein solcher Austausch stärkt die Vernetzung und sorgt für ein gutes Miteinander – denn:
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Mehr Miteinander statt Gegeneinander!
Je mehr mitmachen, desto besser! 🙌
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@Prof. Rachel Thorn 🍉🇺🇦🏳️⚧️🏳️
Alt-text on images is only a thing on Mastodon and amongst Pixelfed users who are also on Mastodon.
Fediblocking entire servers for a too low quota of sufficiently accurate, sufficiently detailed, rule-conforming alt-text would end up defederating Mastodon from most of the rest of the Fediverse. It would end up in the Fediblocking of entire Fediverse server application types. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp-JS, Iceshrimp.NET, CherryPick, Sharkey, Catodon, Smithereen, snac, GoToSocial, Mitra, Socialhome, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte, Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed, nodeBB, WordPress, Ghost, Flipboard, Plume and a whole lot of others would end up being defederated from Mastodon in their entirety because they don't have alt-text (and everyone upping their game in alt-text style, accuracy and level of detail) as an integral part of their culture.
Basically, from Mastodon's point of view, the Fediverse would end up actually being only Mastodon because Mastodon would have defederated with everything else, server by server.
I think I'm the only one on Hubzilla who actually describes their images. I'm definitely the only one amongst the few dozen (streams) users who does. But even if I put more time and effort into describing images than just about anyone else in the Fediverse, I think that wouldn't be enough to save either server application from being defederated from Mastodon in their entirety as long as not everyone else adds sufficiently accurate, sufficiently detailed, rule-conforming alt-texts to every last one of their images, as cumbersome as that may be on Hubzilla.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #Iceshrimp.NET #CherryPick #Sharkey #Catodon #Smithereen #snac #GoToSocial #Mitra #Socialhome #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #nodeBB #WordPress #Ghost #Flipboard #Plume #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
I would also be in favor of Fediblock for instances where this behavior is rampant.
Alt-text on images is only a thing on Mastodon and amongst Pixelfed users who are also on Mastodon.
Fediblocking entire servers for a too low quota of sufficiently accurate, sufficiently detailed, rule-conforming alt-text would end up defederating Mastodon from most of the rest of the Fediverse. It would end up in the Fediblocking of entire Fediverse server application types. Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp-JS, Iceshrimp.NET, CherryPick, Sharkey, Catodon, Smithereen, snac, GoToSocial, Mitra, Socialhome, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte, Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed, nodeBB, WordPress, Ghost, Flipboard, Plume and a whole lot of others would end up being defederated from Mastodon in their entirety because they don't have alt-text (and everyone upping their game in alt-text style, accuracy and level of detail) as an integral part of their culture.
Basically, from Mastodon's point of view, the Fediverse would end up actually being only Mastodon because Mastodon would have defederated with everything else, server by server.
I think I'm the only one on Hubzilla who actually describes their images. I'm definitely the only one amongst the few dozen (streams) users who does. But even if I put more time and effort into describing images than just about anyone else in the Fediverse, I think that wouldn't be enough to save either server application from being defederated from Mastodon in their entirety as long as not everyone else adds sufficiently accurate, sufficiently detailed, rule-conforming alt-texts to every last one of their images, as cumbersome as that may be on Hubzilla.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp-JS #Iceshrimp.NET #CherryPick #Sharkey #Catodon #Smithereen #snac #GoToSocial #Mitra #Socialhome #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #nodeBB #WordPress #Ghost #Flipboard #Plume #AltText #AltTextMeta #CWAltTextMeta #ImageDescription #ImageDescriptions #ImageDescriptionMeta #CWImageDescriptionMeta
Do you use microblog ? And which one ?
I’m curious. Maybe some of our fedizen on the threadiverse use microblog ? Or follow this community from their microblog account ?
Well, let’s do a little poll ! 😎
I really don't know what to do about this server. The development of #Firefish was abandoned last year. If I downgrade to an earlier version, I can then migrate to #IceShrimpJS and eventually #IceShrimpNet. I like this because then I could go back to using @Tusky@mastodon.social on my phone. I'm (reasonably) hesitant to rely on a smaller project again, though. I've got no qualms about setting up and using @Mastodon@mastodon.social but starting from scratch would necessitate using a different subdomain.
Why do YOU think I should do? Is there a satisfactory option I've not considered?
#feditips #fedihelp #adviceneeded
Okay, everyone, sit down. I'll tell you a few things about Mastodon's quote-post feature that you know nothing about. Definitely not if all you know is Mastodon. Oh, and by the way, in case you don't know yet in spite of following me: The Fediverse is not only Mastodon.
Eugen Rochko is bringing quote-posts to Mastodon. But he is not bringing quote-posts to the Fediverse. The Fediverse has had quote-posts for 15 years.
It was Mike Macgirvin who introduced quote-posts to the Fediverse in July, 2010, when he launched something called Mistpark back then and Friendica today (https://friendi.ca, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica). That was five and a half years before Mastodon was launched.
In fact, when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated itself with Friendica and with Hubzilla, a fork of a fork of Friendica by Friendica's own creator which has quote-posts, too. So when Mastodon was launched, it immediately became possible to quote-post Mastodon toots. Not on Mastodon itself, but on Friendica and Hubzilla.
Here are a few (but not even all) Fediverse server applications that already have quote-posts:
And they're all part of the Fediverse which means that they're all connected to Mastodon. People on all of these can theoretically read your Mastodon toots. And people on all of these can theoretically quote-post your Mastodon toots.
So you can choose not to be quote-posted. But you can only choose not to be quote-posted by Mastodon users. This opt-in does not work with the rest of the Fediverse.
First of all, that's because Mastodon's quote-post feature is not compatible with anything else out there. Mastodon's developers have chosen to re-invent the quote-posting wheel from scratch. They've intentionally chosen to do so in a way that's completely incompatible with everything else out there.
Their intention was to reinforce Mastodon's appearance to its own users as the one and only Fediverse and ActivityPub gold standard and to make Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, CherryPick, Catodon, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. look broken. It's part of their plan to keep Mastodon users on Mastodon in the wake of Mastodon's market share in the Fediverse shrinking.
Also, they did not publish any specifications on their quote-post implementation, so even those non-Mastodon developers who are fast enough didn't have a chance to implement support for Mastodon's opt-in.
This means that even if you've set your posts to un-quote-post-able on Mastodon, everything I've listed above can still quote-post you with no resistance.
And don't get your hopes high that the day will come when nobody on the Fediverse will be able to quote-post you, whether they're on Mastodon or not. Such a setting is technologically impossible.
Who says that? Mike Macgirvin says that. The guy who launched Friendica and brought quote-posts to the Fediverse 15 years ago, remember? This guy has built the Fediverse's most elaborate, most complex, most fine-grained, most advanced permissions system into (streams) and Forte.
These two have reply control, the kind of which you couldn't image in your wildest dreams. I'm serious. They have permissions settings for almost everything on two or three levels, for your whole channel, individually per contact and sometimes even per post or per file or folder in the file storage.
But they don't have quote-post permission settings. Because that's impossible to enforce Fediverse-wide. And even if it was possible, it'd be pointless. If they can't quote-post you, they'll copy-paste you. If they can't copy-paste you either because they're on a phone, they'll post screenshots of your toots.
Mike also says, there is exactly one way to keep people from quote-posting you, and that's by not posting in public. Unfortunately, unlike what he has created, Mastodon has little between "public" and "DM", if anything.
This may be the big surprise: It has recently been discovered by chance that Mastodon's quote-post feature only works with Mastodon toots.
On the one hand, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Sharkey, Friendica, Hubzilla etc. can quote-post just about everything that comes in from Mastodon. But on the other hand, no Mastodon 4.5 user will be able to quote-post anything from either of these. Or from Pixelfed or PeerTube or Loops or Castopod or WriteFreely or whatever.
That's because Mastodon is looking for a quote-post opt-in. But nothing else in the Fediverse supports Mastodon's quote-post opt-in, also seeing as it's still officially in development. And it's highly unlikely that everything in the Fediverse will adopt another piece of non-standard, proprietary Mastodon tech.
Lastly, Mastodon has the audacity to call this feature "quote".
A "quote" is something else. Remember forums? Like, bulletin-board forums with subforums and all? Where posts are quoted in follow-ups, entirely or only partially? That's what a quote is. That has got nothing to do with quote-posts.
Why I say that there's a difference? Because I also say that Friendica has had both quotes and quote-posts.
It has had them for 15 years, both quotes (which it calls "quotes", go figure) and quote-posts (which it calls "quoted shares", and which include the original author of the quoted post, complete with their profile picture and a clickable link to them, as well as a clickable link to the original post).
Hubzilla has both. (streams) has both. Forte has both. And I wouldn't be surprised if other Fediverse server software had both, too.
The irony is that Mastodon itself has been able to render actual quotes since version 4.0 from October, 2022. At the same time, it will continue to be unable to render any quote-posts done outside of Mastodon for the foreseeable future.
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Mastodon has been quote-post-able for as long as it has been around
Eugen Rochko is bringing quote-posts to Mastodon. But he is not bringing quote-posts to the Fediverse. The Fediverse has had quote-posts for 15 years.
It was Mike Macgirvin who introduced quote-posts to the Fediverse in July, 2010, when he launched something called Mistpark back then and Friendica today (https://friendi.ca, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica). That was five and a half years before Mastodon was launched.
In fact, when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated itself with Friendica and with Hubzilla, a fork of a fork of Friendica by Friendica's own creator which has quote-posts, too. So when Mastodon was launched, it immediately became possible to quote-post Mastodon toots. Not on Mastodon itself, but on Friendica and Hubzilla.
Just about everything that isn't Mastodon has already got quote-posts right now
Here are a few (but not even all) Fediverse server applications that already have quote-posts:
And they're all part of the Fediverse which means that they're all connected to Mastodon. People on all of these can theoretically read your Mastodon toots. And people on all of these can theoretically quote-post your Mastodon toots.
Mastodon's quote-post opt-in is not a water-tight defence against being quote-posted
So you can choose not to be quote-posted. But you can only choose not to be quote-posted by Mastodon users. This opt-in does not work with the rest of the Fediverse.
First of all, that's because Mastodon's quote-post feature is not compatible with anything else out there. Mastodon's developers have chosen to re-invent the quote-posting wheel from scratch. They've intentionally chosen to do so in a way that's completely incompatible with everything else out there.
Their intention was to reinforce Mastodon's appearance to its own users as the one and only Fediverse and ActivityPub gold standard and to make Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Firefish, Iceshrimp, Sharkey, CherryPick, Catodon, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams), Forte etc. look broken. It's part of their plan to keep Mastodon users on Mastodon in the wake of Mastodon's market share in the Fediverse shrinking.
Also, they did not publish any specifications on their quote-post implementation, so even those non-Mastodon developers who are fast enough didn't have a chance to implement support for Mastodon's opt-in.
This means that even if you've set your posts to un-quote-post-able on Mastodon, everything I've listed above can still quote-post you with no resistance.
Absolute Fediverse-wide protection against being quote-posted is impossible
And don't get your hopes high that the day will come when nobody on the Fediverse will be able to quote-post you, whether they're on Mastodon or not. Such a setting is technologically impossible.
Who says that? Mike Macgirvin says that. The guy who launched Friendica and brought quote-posts to the Fediverse 15 years ago, remember? This guy has built the Fediverse's most elaborate, most complex, most fine-grained, most advanced permissions system into (streams) and Forte.
These two have reply control, the kind of which you couldn't image in your wildest dreams. I'm serious. They have permissions settings for almost everything on two or three levels, for your whole channel, individually per contact and sometimes even per post or per file or folder in the file storage.
But they don't have quote-post permission settings. Because that's impossible to enforce Fediverse-wide. And even if it was possible, it'd be pointless. If they can't quote-post you, they'll copy-paste you. If they can't copy-paste you either because they're on a phone, they'll post screenshots of your toots.
Mike also says, there is exactly one way to keep people from quote-posting you, and that's by not posting in public. Unfortunately, unlike what he has created, Mastodon has little between "public" and "DM", if anything.
Mastodon cannot quote-post the non-Mastodon Fediverse
This may be the big surprise: It has recently been discovered by chance that Mastodon's quote-post feature only works with Mastodon toots.
On the one hand, Pleroma, Akkoma, Misskey, Sharkey, Friendica, Hubzilla etc. can quote-post just about everything that comes in from Mastodon. But on the other hand, no Mastodon 4.5 user will be able to quote-post anything from either of these. Or from Pixelfed or PeerTube or Loops or Castopod or WriteFreely or whatever.
That's because Mastodon is looking for a quote-post opt-in. But nothing else in the Fediverse supports Mastodon's quote-post opt-in, also seeing as it's still officially in development. And it's highly unlikely that everything in the Fediverse will adopt another piece of non-standard, proprietary Mastodon tech.
"Quote" actually means something else
Lastly, Mastodon has the audacity to call this feature "quote".
A "quote" is something else. Remember forums? Like, bulletin-board forums with subforums and all? Where posts are quoted in follow-ups, entirely or only partially? That's what a quote is. That has got nothing to do with quote-posts.
Why I say that there's a difference? Because I also say that Friendica has had both quotes and quote-posts.
It has had them for 15 years, both quotes (which it calls "quotes", go figure) and quote-posts (which it calls "quoted shares", and which include the original author of the quoted post, complete with their profile picture and a clickable link to them, as well as a clickable link to the original post).
Hubzilla has both. (streams) has both. Forte has both. And I wouldn't be surprised if other Fediverse server software had both, too.
The irony is that Mastodon itself has been able to render actual quotes since version 4.0 from October, 2022. At the same time, it will continue to be unable to render any quote-posts done outside of Mastodon for the foreseeable future.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NotOnlyMastodon #FediverseIsNotMastodon #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Sharkey #CherryPick #Catodon #Mitra #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares
@parigotmanchot #Firefish died last December. 😉 I was waiting for the new #Iceshrimp that will probably never come. I'm waiting for #Bonfire that is still probably a few months away. As #Mastodon is finally having quote posts, it will do for now (and I have Glitched.Earth for long form)
@Mastodon
#Akkoma #Pleroma #Firefish #Misskey gang be like:
Still #mastodon managed b4 10th anniv..
Lets see how it'll work....
(And how all the third party instances will work with it ) #snac #hollo #GoToSocial #Friendica #Pixlfed Good Luck :Alcea_Salute:
RE: https://mastodon.social/@Mastodon/115187078125939270
Look what they need to mimic a fraction of our power
Still #mastodon managed b4 10th anniv..
Lets see how it'll work....
(And how all the third party instances will work with it ) #snac #hollo #GoToSocial #Friendica #Pixlfed Good Luck :Alcea_Salute:
RE: https://mastodon.social/@Mastodon/115187078125939270
If I had 1¢ for each person I talked to on #Fediverse just once that never came back on ever ..
I'd probably have like 30.
Which is not much.
Butnits weird it happened 30 ti-..
Oh this is #boring.
But #Fedi user retention is really low.
The lack of #intrusive #ads and #loud #angry mobs must really scare people off.
Anyways here is #Greenday : *click*
#repost •acws #acws #mastodon #twitter #akkoma #firefish #calckey #whateverelsethereis
I'd probably have like 30.
Which is not much.
Butnits weird it happened 30 ti-..
Oh this is #boring.
But #Fedi user retention is really low.
The lack of #intrusive #ads and #loud #angry mobs must really scare people off.
Anyways here is #Greenday : *click*
#repost •acws #acws #mastodon #twitter #akkoma #firefish #calckey #whateverelsethereis
In fact, a shocking number of "admins" and "developers" cannot even keep their ****y Wordpress sites updated, and that's literally just pushing a button. Any expectations that a random person could maintain something as complex as a #Mastodon or #Firefish or #Lemmy installation is entirely nonsensical and not based on any version of reality I've ever seen.
#Akkoma #Misskey
Wow.
Someone is having a BAD day !
(Had hoped for a less biased article, but no oh !)
https://insecuredisaster.com/the-fediverse/
#repost •acws #acws #Fediverse
Ебическая сила, я всё таки восстановил свой экземпляр #firefish и оно даже работает.
2 месяца блять 😬
Overall my UX since opening this #Sharkey #BlahajZone account has been quite lovely, but there are various papercuts & frictions all the same. In earlier posts i've mentioned various #Antenna hassles [wrt efficiently managing all my #FollowedHashtags]. The way that Sharkey's own text formatting [#MFM] does not follow standard #Markdown practices in some cases, thus looking not as i intended when viewed in non-Sharky instances, is another issue.
The most recent PITA, albeit it's been present all along, only in recent days seems rather worse, is repeat failures of my two #List timelines to load at all [see attached pic of the common result], & in between these frequent failures, i experience much latency trying to get posts to accept my Likes, or to invoke the [excellent] Search function, or various other commonplace UI interactions. This morning in particular it is, frankly, terrible.
Towards the end, i now recall that my old #Firefish instances also suffered this repeat failure of timelines to load, & other-while large latency, so having it now be my multiple-times-each-day experience here is pretty alarming. However even if not fatal, it poses a significant usability liability... after all, each time i retry my #Friendica instance i eventually keep returning to Masto coz Friendica's latency drives me batty.
Despite once again clearing the cache & doing multiple page reloads, as i am about to post this whinge, one of my timelines has still errored-out rather than loaded. This is galling, & i feel myself on the verge of returning to my Masto-Statuzer instance once again. Tis a pity.
cc: @blahaj
Client Info
Server: https://mastodon.social
Version: 2025.07
Repository: https://github.com/cyevgeniy/lmst