#NewsGroup

Grant Goddardgrantgoddard
2025-07-01

Bob Marley sang “I remember when we used to sit in a government’s yard in Swedes Town”?? : 1995 : Catch The Words, Kenya

one entertaining source of reggae lyrics can be obtained from: jkn productions, po box 57066, nairobi, kenya. they produce a series of little printed booklets called "catch the words" that sell in music shops for 45 kenyan shillings.

catch the words volume 29 includes... [continues]

peoplelikeyoudontworkinradio.b

2025-06-06

Es gab die Überlegung, ein #RfD im #Usenet anzustoßen für de.comm.freifunk .
Doch ich habe das RfD zurück gezogen. Zwar wird #Freifunk prinzipiell als Thema für ein #Newsgroup als interessant gewertet, aber dann Bedenken, Gegenwind, Begründungen usw.
Keine Willkommenskultur.
Ich bin zu spät für das Usenet und kenne Internet so: Webspace mieten oder Server anschließen, loslegen und machen.
Ich dachte im Sinne der Dezentralität auch den Kanal zu nutzen.
Jedoch Mumien bitte nicht stören.

2025-05-24

Does anyone know what are the steps to join and read a usenet newsgroup like sci.physics or sci.physics.research? I tried to simply enter "sci.physics" in Thunderbird's Newsgroup reader, but apparently it doesn't work simply like that...

#newsgroup #physics #usenet

Packet-lost soulrek2@hispagatos.space
2025-03-14

Hello #hackers #tinkerers #explorers #minimalist #oldschoolers etc there are now #usenet talks about a new newsgroup for the #rust #rustlang programming language, you can participate in the #big-8 #big8 decision making in the #newsgroup news.groups.proposals the thread is under comp.lang.rust the big-8 approved an official #go lang newsgroup last year or so, among all the old newsgroups cleaning and spam blocking this is another sympton of the revamping of usenet 2.0 news.novabbs.org/usenet/articl

Alexis Jhon (AGR/AMKPBA)🇺🇦Lucss21a@mas.to
2025-01-30

#NOTICE: Do people here know #usenet, #finger and other obscure protocols? I've been thinking about adding them into The Blue Pages lately and been looking into popular resources for the aforementioned. I'm also looking at popular (and useful) #gopherholes and #geminispaces too if any.

#tech #oldtech #oldweb #web #retro #retrotech #obscure #geek #bbs #gopher #gemini #usenet #finger #newsgroup

Packet-lost soulrek2@hispagatos.space
2025-01-28

EVERYONE IS LYING - Why you shouldn't believe the TikTok Ban:

read and find video on #usenet: news.novabbs.org/computers/art #tiktok #survillance #privacy #thehatedone #alt.2600.hackers #newsgroup

Gemma ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭 🎐gcvsa@mstdn.plus
2025-01-18

I am not interested in running my own #email server, #weblog server, etc, etc, etc.

That's a full time job in and of itself, and I know this, because I founded what was (as far as I know in the mid-1990s) the first 100% broadband end-user ISP in America.

I don't want to be in that business, anymore. I don't want to run my own #fediverse server, my own #newsgroup server, my own #webforum server, especially because so many of these basic services rely entirely on network effects for usefulness.

Gemma ⭐️🔰🇺🇸 🇵🇭 🎐gcvsa@mstdn.plus
2025-01-12

I've noticed a lot of people asking on the #fediverse recently whether or not there is a good #substitute for #FacebookGroups, and I just want to point out again that #InterNetNews still works great for group discussions and #groupware, and is still capable of being used as a private #newsgroup server with #moderation and #federation via #NNTP.

#INN is still in active development, with v2.7.2 being released in June 2024. What it really needs is a great HTTP gateway.

eyrie.org/~eagle/software/inn/

Julian D 🏳️‍🌈 #FBPE #RejoinEUJulius_VD@mstdn.social
2024-08-01

First, #Murdoch papers targeted me. Now there is evidence they falsely implicated me in a cover-up
Gordon Brown
buff.ly/4fvMUWn
Asked why millions of #NewsGroup emails were deleted, #WashingtonPost publisher Will Lewis pointed the finger at me

2024-04-11

@freakazoid Working from memory it's basically the FCC's third party traffic rule, plus the no pecuniary interest rule, plus the no obscenity rule, plus the no obfuscation of meaning rule. Otherwise there is nothing preventing moving #newsgroup traffic between ham bands and the Internet.

Unfortunately I'm not up on the technical details of how this is done with #NNTP. Maybe a #hamradio #ax25 #packet #BBS nerd who knows more about this than I do can speak up.

Did you know there is an online forum for tabletop role-playing games that has been around since the early 80s, and which still is active and operating?

Admittedly in a much diminished state than at it’s heyday.

I don’t know if you ever heard the term Usenet before, and even if you did, if you don’t just connect it with data piracy. Because that’s what it is mostly used for nowadays.

What it started out as were discussion forums.

Back in the late 70s, after ARPANET had been created and email had been invented, a few programmers came up with an idea for an electronic bulletin board that could be read asynchronously. This was the time when computers still were only in big institutions like universities, big companies, and the military, and the whole idea was to create “a poor man’s ARPANET”. Connections between computers were rare and expensive , but possible. So these “news” started as a way to propagate articles and messages along servers that were not constantly connected to the internet. Some of the servers involved would only connect once a day to the network to transfer messages in and out (often at night because charges were lower then). A message might travel for multiple days before it reached all nodes in the network, and some of the earliest were messages about a nascent hobby popular among the people using this network: fantasy role-playing.

From what I can see the first two messages on the brand new group net.games.frp were sent out on the 12th of January 1982.

To give you an idea just how early this was: it was before the abbreviation RPG became common, people were still talking about Fantasy RolePlaying instead, so even today the group-names use the abbreviation FRP.

It’s quite a fascinating system that over time has become ever more complex and popular, before the ascent of html, hyperlinks, and the world wide web pushed it into the seedy corners of the ‘net.

Instead of having websites, Usenet is organized in newsgroups, and those groups are organized in hierarchies. There are the so called Big Eight that have a certain standard for group creation and posting (e.g. rec. for recreational topics, and comp. for topics concerning computers), and there are others, organized in one way or another (famously alt. which had lower standards for the creation of new groups).

Messages are sent to one or more groups (crossposted), distributed around the network, and people respond to these posts. Interesting discussions and arguments ensue, people get angry, flame wars ensue, other people learn something new, weird in-jokes develop, stuff happens.

All that can be read via archives, the biggest of which is Google Groups, which both is a boon and downfall of the service: Google purchased the old newsgroup archives of DejaNews back in the 90s, and integrated it in it’s Google Groups service. In a picture-perfect example of Embrace, Extend, Extinguish the users of Groups had a web interface that allowed them access to their old newsgroups, access to new groups that only existed on Google, but also allowed spammers to flood the connected newsgroups with loads of unmoderated spam. Spam that recently was quoted by them as a reason to cut the connection with Usenet, bringing this phase of the network to an end.

But Usenet still is running, and most likely will be running as long as there are people willing to run servers for it. But the biggest Usenet servers nowadays are piracy servers that keep the text-part of the Usenet as more of an afterthought. At one point someone came up with a way to use the text-only format of Usenet in a way to distribute data that was binary, i.e. not purely text. And this took over most of the system.

But I am not really interested in that and never was. What I am interested in are the fantasy roleplaying parts of that network.

rec.games.frp.*

I said that the forum has been running since the late 70s, but that’s not quite correct. The original structure of Usenet grew organically from the beginning. People were creating new groups when it suited them and it seemed logical. Which soon caused some hierarchies (specifically the net. hierarchy) to swell with groups that could barely be maintained. In a great upheaval in 1987 all the groups were renamed and restructured.

Some old hands are still angry about it and will bitch about it for days. That also is Usenet.

One can argue that the fantasy roleplaying group has existed since before that time. One also could argue that it only exists since 1987. Which still is older than the World Wide Web.

Usenet is divided into hierarchies, and the frp-hierarchy is part of the rec. (recreation-hierarchy) and .games. sub-hierarchy.

There are currently 11 .frp. groups in that hierarchy:

rec.games.frp.dndof course… it’s the hierarchy for Dungeons and Dragons. Always one of the biggest topics of the whole FRP forums this one got it’s own group.rec.games.frp.miscfor basically all other kinds of discussions about roleplaying gamesrec.games.frp.cyberfor cyberpunk systems (e.g. Cyberpunk 2020 or Shadowrun). rec.games.frp.super-heroes for superhero gamesrec.games.frp.live-actionanything LARP goes here.rec.games.frp.announce announcements and news about products go hererec.games.frp.industryfor all kinds of discussions about the rpg industryrec.games.frp.storyteller yes, this was created when the World of Darkness was big enough to demand it’s own forumrec.games.frp.gurpsFor GURPS, this part was created because while never the most popular game, it’s fans flooded the main group with so many messages about builds that it was decided to give them their own place.rec.games.frp.advocacyall kinds of discussions about roleplaying games as such and how they work. This is where the Forge came from back in the dayrec.games.frp.marketI guess this is for selling stuff. I have literally never seen a message in there.

Most of these lay fallow right now, with me and a few others being the only ones posting there every once in a while. I do have to admit part of it is because I don’t want to lose the that part of ttrpg history to a random deletion request for non-use.

Other TTRPG groups

The main hierarchies are not the only ones. Most normal Usenet servers carry at least the Big Eight, but most also carry others. The big other hierarchy is alt. (…definitely not named for Anarchists, Lunatics, and Terrorists, all evidence to the contrary…), which makes it easier to create groups. This means there are a few other groups here that might be of interest, if they ever would get someone to post in them. Their structure though is not as organized as the ones in the Big 8.

alt.games.frp.adnd-utilabout utilities for playing ADnD. I would say, a general groups for RPG utilities.alt.games.adndfor ADnD. I am not sure why this exists, maybe because the main one was too stodgy, or it was created because someone thought ADnD was sufficiently different than DnD to warrant it’s own groupalt.games.earthdawn for Earthdawn. Remember Earthdawn?alt.games.x-files.rpg For the X-Files RPG. Remember that?alt.games.whitewolfI guess a group for White Wolf games, which is also already covered in rec.games.frp.storytelleralt.games.tolkien.rpga group about playing in Tolkien’s Middle-Earth

There are also local and language dependent groups around. Many languages and regions have their own hierarchies for exchanges between locals and/or in other languages.

uk.games.roleplaygroup for roleplaying in the UKde.rec.spiele.rpg.miscgeneral group for discussions of RPGs in German z-netz.freizeit.rollenspiele.dsa originally this was an Echo in a mailbox network, by now z-netz. is a small alternative German Usenet hierarchy. This particular one about Das Schwarze Auge/The Dark Eyepl.rec.gry.rpgPolish-language group es.rec.juegos.rolSpanish-language groupse.spel.rollspelSwedish-language groupdk.fritid.rollespilDanish-language group fr.rec.jeux.jdfFrench-language groupit.hobby.giochi.gdrItalian-language grouphr.rec.igre.rpgHungarian-language groupaus.games.roleplayAustralian group

There are more, some of which I might not even find that easy because they are not on the servers I frequent (not all servers carry all groups) or are so specialized they might not be of interest to anyone but locals (e.g. saar.rec.rollenspiele exists, but I doubt many people in Saarland (the smallest of Germany’s federal states) still know Usenet exists)

Ok, ok, but how do you actually ACCESS this Usenet thingy?

That’s a bit more difficult, but not much. It used to be ISPs were all running their own news servers, this was actually the REASON you might want internet access as a private person, but that isn’t the case anymore. Google Groups is also going away, so that’s not a real option.

An easy way to check out what is being talked about on the FRP-hierarchy is campaignwiki.org/news. This server makes it possible to read and post on his own small server via a web-interface. The server is only running roleplaying-related groups, including the global FRP-hierarchy, and a few local ones that do not get carried in many other places.

Another way to access it via web browser is via web gateways. There are a few around, e.g. NovaBBS. There are a few of those around, but they might not carry all the groups (NovaBBS e.g. only rec.games.frp.dnd and .misc, because those are the ones with most activity).

The proper way to use it is of course by getting an account on a news server and adding it to your feed reader of choice. True hardcore users use terminal-based readers like tin or Gnus, but many Email programs like Mozilla Thunderbird allow you to subscribe to newsgroups.

But where do you get a news server?

Well, there are multiple free options (these are all technically text-only, although a few have some basic binary groups that allow pictures):

campaignwiki.org/news(Switzerland) very small server, focused on ttrpg groups, also has simple web-portalEternal September(Germany) popular free access server with wide range of groupsI2PN2simple text serverNovaBBStext server, as mentioned above also has web-portalSolani(Germany) serverdotsrc(Denmark) focused on Danish usersAgency News(New Zealand) serverChmurka(Poland) basic server focused on Polish usersCSIPHbasic serverOpen News Network(Germany) focused on German usersGegeweb(France) focused on French usersHispagatos(Spain) focused on Spanish usersPasdenom(France) focused on French usersNNTP4(Germany) basic server

Most of these have instructions on how to connect on their websites.

Note: This is a redo of an article I wrote 13 years ago. Originally I thought I could just let that one stand like that, but just briefly reading through it I noticed things had changed dramatically in some areas. So I rewrote the whole thing from scratch.

https://gmkeros.wordpress.com/2024/01/12/the-oldest-ttrpg-forum-on-the-net/

#dnd #dsa #newsgroup #newsserver #RolePlayingGame #Roleplaying #rpg #thunderbird #ttrpg #Usenet

Chaostreff Alzeyctaz@rheinhessen.social
2023-12-26

For the #37c3 we created a topic on our #Newsgroup Server on chaostreff-alzey.de
Hop all in and join the conversation ^^
Ps: Thunderbird still supports the newsgroup Protokoll :3

#retro #retronetworking #surfenwiefrüher #nntp

Chaostreff Alzeyctaz@rheinhessen.social
2023-11-27

//Werbung
For the Coming #37c3 we created a topic on our #Newsgroup Server on chaostreff-alzey.de
Hop all in and join the conversation ^^
Ps: Thunderbird still supports the newsgroup Protokoll

#retro #retronetworking #surfenwiefrüher

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