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Fatalism

Fatalism is the philosophical belief that all events are predetermined & inevitable, making human “free will” basically irrelevant to the ultimate outcome.

Determinism, predestination, & fatalism are often used interchangeably. But there are nuances:

  • Determinism: The belief that every event is caused by preceding events & the laws of nature. If you knew the position of every atom in the universe, you could predict the future. It’s about cause & effect.
  • Predestination: A theological concept (like we saw with the Calvinists) where a sovereign God has decreed the end from the beginning. It’s about divine will.
  • Fatalism: The belief that “whatever will be, will be” (Amor Fati), regardless of the causes or divine decrees. It suggests that even if you try to change the path, you’ll still arrive at the pre-set destination.

In the Greco-Roman world, Fatalism wasn’t a theory. It was a cosmic reality. The Greeks envisioned fate as 3 sisters: Clotho (the spinner), Lachesis (the allotter), & Atropos (the unturnable, who cut the thread). Even the gods were subject to the Fates.

This created where heroism wasn’t defined by changing one’s fate. But by facing it with dignity. For example, Oedipus tries everything to avoid the prophecy that he’ll kill his dad & marry his mom. His very attempt to flee is what ultimately fulfills it.

The Stoics (like Seneca & Marcus Aurelius) practiced a form of “rational fatalism.” They compared humans to a dog tied to a moving cart. The dog can either trot happily with the cart (accepting fate) or be dragged kicking & screaming. The destination is the same. The only thing you control is your internal attitude.

The most famous challenge to fatalism is the Lazy Argument: If it’s fated that you’ll recover from an illness, you’ll recover whether you call a doctor or not. Philosophers like Chrysippus countered this by arguing that certain outcomes are “co-fated.”

It may be fated that you recover. But it’s also fated that you recover because you called a doctor. Your action is a link in the chain of fate, not an alternative to it.

In Islam, the concept of Qadar emphasizes a balance between divine sovereignty & human responsibility, folk traditions across the Middle East & South Asia have historically leaned toward a “written” destiny (Maktub – “it is written”). This perspective often provided a psychological cushion against the frequent tragedies of the medieval world, like a plagues or invasions.

American culture is infamously anti-fatalistic. The famous “American Dream” is built on the idea that you can pull yourself up by your own bootstraps & be the architect of your own destiny/fortune. However, fatalism does exist in American conscienceness in 2 specific ways:

  • Literary Naturalism
    • In the late 19th & early 20th centuries, American writers like Stephen Crane & Jack London moved away from Romanticism toward Naturalism. They portrayed humans as “small, soft things” at the mercy of indifferent forces (biology, heredity, & environment). In Crane’s The Open Boat, the universe is depicted as a giant machine that doesn’t care if you live or die. This is “Modern Fatalism.”
  • “Appalachian Fatalism
    • Often misunderstood as laziness, this fatalism was a cultural adaptation of the Appalachian region, dominated by dangerous coal mines & unpredictable poverty. If your life depends on a mine roof that could at any moment regardless of your skill, or a boom-or-bust economy you can’t control, a fatalistic worldview (“It’s in God’s hands”) becomes a survival mechanism to manage chronic stress.

In modern physics, the Block Universe theory (based on Einstein’s General Relativity) suggests that time is a dimension just like space. If the past, present, & future all exist simultaneously in a “block,” then the future is technically as fixed & unchangeable as the past. If using this view, our perception of “choosing” is just an illusion created by our movement through the time dimension. Essentially this is Scientific Fatalism.

The philosopher Karl Popper once joked that the fatalist is the person who looks both ways before crossing a 1-way street. Deep down, even those who claim the future is a fixed act, though their choices matter.

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2025-12-25

“Two elements must therefore be rooted out once and for all: the fear of future suffering, and the recollection of past suffering; since the latter no longer concerns me, and the former concerns me not yet.”

— Seneca

#stoic #stoics #seneca #stoicism

2025-02-17

Ep 14 - Awakening from the Meaning Crisis - Epicureans, Cynics, and Stoics

videos.trom.tf/w/8WyQw32WtnCaL

PB Mediapbmedia
2025-07-14

Is the purpose of life to search for pleasure? For power? For meaning?. Viktor Frankl’s Man’s search for Meaning, The Dave Brubeck Quartet (1959) ‘Time Out’ and Whiplash (2014) by Damien Chazelle. Enjoy!

keystonelearning.online/discov

Steve Dustcircle 🌹dustcircle@masto.ai
2025-04-22

How #Stoicism hides in your favorite #superhero stories | Marc Bowker

youtube.com/watch?v=HapiPAHVt9

What if the #villains we’re really fighting aren’t out there—but in here?

#Anxiety. #Depression. #Selfdoubt. "In my #TEDx talk, I reveal how the ancient #wisdom of the #Stoics and the modern mythology of #superheroes helped me face those battles—and how you can become the hero of your own story."

2025-04-05

I admire #Buddhists and #Stoics and people like that who found a way to accept and rise above their suffering.

Good on ya but I also know that there are types of suffering that can be addressed. My ankle is kaput, and I'll be damned if I'm just going to sit here and "accept" the pain or try and "rise above it".

I'm getting it fixed. Sadly a replacement can't be made to fit my crazy talipes type anatomy, but immobilisation will take away the pain.

Heigh ho, heigh ho.

Rev. Charles BrowningFrChazzz
2025-03-19

Finally caught the film last night and I now have loads of thoughts swirling in my head! Ideas about and with (and ), about how the were wrong about humanity having an inherent depravity (but instead are burdened with the weight of morally considering our actions while lacking the proper perspective to understand that morality)… what an excellent little film worthy of its win!

2025-02-12

Interesting strategies from our Stoic friends - How To Stay Sane In An INSANE World (12 Stoic Practices That Actually Work)

youtube.com/watch?v=q8aeSgNe_q
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Phanuelphanuel
2025-02-03

“Think of the life you have lived until now as over and, as a dead man, see what’s left as a bonus and live it according to Nature."
- Marcus Aurelius

2025-01-24

So yesterday I wrote a blog post about the Stoic principle Memento Mori, or remember that you will die.

When I first learned about stoicism, the focus on death really bothered me, but now I have cancer I can see it as a way to push myself to live my best life.

sylvia.studio/memento-mori/

#blog #stoicism #stoics #inspiration

Ivan Moreno_IvanMoreno_
2025-01-10

Every 10 days, a new set of work is going to be showcased. Starting from January 1st, these are the first days of this upcoming journey.

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2025-01-05

Me gusta la claridad en este artículo en @ElSaltoDiario, el ideal individualista estoico como consecuencia, búsqueda rigurosa y subjetiva de sentido.

Y no la estridente paradoja "neoestoicista" de querer someter la realidad a nuestras limitaciones y aferrarnos hasta que se vayan la contradicción y las responsabilidades. 🧐👇

elsaltodiario.com/pensamiento/

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2024-04-09

@kravietz

May I add some hashtags in order to solicit views of psychologists and others who deal with human (or animal) cognitive modelling of reality? I would be fascinated to read about the degree to which we're all vulnerable to bias, the highest-yield methods of protecting oneself from bias (especially in social media), and of helping reflect back to others their own views in a way that lets them critique them. I think the last point is especially hard, especially if the other person has no desire for critical thinking (and as humans, we are terrible at critical thinking!).

If there are any textbooks on the subject, ideally written by scientists &/or aimed at scientists, I'd be keen as mustard to know about them!

If anyone has opinions on the work of Han, Lee, Wang, & Baldwin (librai fact checking automation - github.com/Libr-AI/OpenFactVer ) I'd be all ears too.

Please feel free to boost this if you think answers might interest you.

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2024-02-23

Stoicism and the Cardinal Virtues class meets for the first 90-minute session tomorrow. 14 students enrolled, so it'll be a lively discussion, I think! Still room for a few more if you want to learn a lot!

reasonio.teachable.com/p/stoic
#Stoicism #Class #Virtues #Ethics #Online #Stoics

2024-02-20

@therobburgessshow All the #Stoics - Seneca, Epictetus, Marcus Aurelius - teach good things. I recommend people to start with Ryan Holiday's 'The Daily Stoic' first to better understand #Stoicism.

Of course, as with all things, never go full fanboy.

2024-02-03

Non est quod credas irascentium verbis, quorum strepitus magni, minaces sunt, intra mens pavidissima.

--Seneca, DE IRA

"There's no reason to trust the words of furious people. Their shouts, their threats are big; inside, their mind is quivering with fear."

#Latin #EverythingIsBetterWithLatin!™ #bookstodon #Stoics

2024-01-24

Starting tomorrow 10 AM Central Time! Our first 90-minute online class session focuses on Plato's dialogue on friendship, Lysis, as well the discussion of friends, enemies, & justice in Republic book 1. Open for enrollment!

reasonio.teachable.com/p/philo
#Class #Friendship #Philosophy #Plato #Aristotle #Stoics #Epicureans #Cicero #Plutarch

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