Back when TrueCharts supported TrueNAS, for a very small fraction of time we had a really cool ecosystem of community applications that could be installed and setup all from within a decently user-friendly GUI experience, that could only get better over time.

However, once TrueNAS switched away from Kubernetes and TrueCharts decided they'd had enough of the constant abuse from the TrueNAS community and cut them off, we lost all that.

Now, we have TrueNAS with it's own catalogue of officially supported applications installed through Docker Compose, which they always had but always lacked the additional features that TrueCharts offered, such as sidecar VPN configurations for specific applications, which imo is what makes TrueCharts really useful.

TrueCharts now seperately maintains a catalogue of Helm Charts for Kubernetes (which is actually whatthey always did) but, with no decent user-friendly way to deploy them in a self-hosting environment.

TrueCharts' quick-start guide goes straight into the depths of Kubernetes setup, they have multiple vague references to different possible set-ups but no recommended way to self-host this stuff.
If I asked they'd probably tell me it's out of scope, what TrueCharts really do is build Helm Charts, that's all they're interested in and that's all they support.

What I'd really like is an OS that does exactly what the TrueNAS Scale app catalogue did. A kubernetes cluster, with a GUI web console that can have custom helm chart catalogues which you ca pick from a list, click install, get a GUI input form, click deploy, and see it map ports and such.

I can use Kubernetes in the terminal, I can deploy and maintain linux servers, I could do it all day all the time, but sometimes I just want things to be easy and I want to pretend I'm a Power User who's best skill is using the registry editor of Windows.

So in conclusion, TrueNAS new software offerings are lacking features I want. TrueCharts' catalogue has no decent way of being used, so far as I know.

If anyone is using TrueCharts I'd be interested in knowing your setup, I'd like to update TrueNAS again but I want to keep my sidecar VPN config apps in some way.
And if anyone is using TrueNAS Scale and they've achieved per-app VPN somehow I'd be interested in seeing that too.

#truenas #truecharts #helm #kubernetes #selfhosting #linux

That's the way i like my #Kubernetes cluster to look like 😁

After a month of setting up a #Talos Kubernetes Cluster and migrating over my apps from #TrueNAS i finally got everything working and fixed all the errors 🥳

#HomeLab #Selfhosting #Clustertool #Truecharts

Managed to migrate my first #Truecharts app from #TrueNAS to #Talos.

Do this only if you need another hobby. It is definitely nothing like the comfort the TrueNAS App Catalogue and UI provided.

But i like #Kubernetes and so it is fine for me, to play around with #CertManager, #RenovateBot, #FluxCD and #VolSync. Just have to compare resource consumption now 😅

Seems bias.
"I didn't use apps before"
"It was hard to maintain backups of apps", but somehow docker compose resolved it?
"You can run any app" - well you could do it before with no issue.

I still think that the switch to docker compose from k3s/helm is step down.
And it seems it is all cause of #truecharts drama.
Though I did not like #truechart myself, both the maintainer attitude and how it was done, it should not be the reason for that change.

#truenas
@truenas https://bird.makeup/users/truenas/statuses/1844535884806340729

I wondered, why may apps on my #truenas are always up to date. Turns out, #truecharts has abandoned support for truenas scale. What the fuck? This whole project emerged around the truenas environment, hence the name. Absolute Clowns! Now I have to migrate to the official stock images...

With the deprecation of Truecharts on the TrueNAS SCALE platform (as of the current release) I've moved away from the built in "Apps" feature (kubernetes based) and onto Jailmaker and Docker (within Jailmaker). Already seeing significant benefits in maintainability (thank you, Dockge) and performance.
#truenas #truecharts #docker #jailmaker

Oof, just discovered the #TrueCharts drama. That was annoying.

Gotta spend some time figuring out Jailmaker by myself then... #TrueNAS Scale's default store doesn't have all the stuff I need.

My #TrueNAS server is now free of anything #truecharts. 🤙

Yayy
I'm going to have a lot of fun migrating my #TrueNas app's away from #TrueCharts.
Main pain points are gonna be my reverse proxys trough Traefik migrating my Photoprism without any loss of data :makibomb:

@kajord it shouldn’t break any already installed apps.
But anyway, I’m glad I migrated away from #truecharts earlier, because of the braking changes every other month. Truecharts apps were the most unreliable thing in my homelab. I went to Truenas community apps & docker.

I guess it could have been worse, and actively deleted installed apps if you tried to upgrade or something. It's not like you would have any recourse against a volunteer organization that you chose to depend on for your infrastructure needs.

#truecharts #TrueNAS 🤡🤡🤡🤡

Whelp, #truecharts has just deleted their github catalog repo and broken every #TrueNAS install out of spite. I guess I need to find a more reliable way to maintain applications now. Maybe it is proxmox time?
🤡🤡🤡🤡

https://www.reddit.com/r/truenas/comments/1e1dxvk/truecharts_just_nuked_everything_in_response_to/

Receive alerts about my #truenas scale #truecharts when I realize that they marked it as deprecated and that I may have to move and reconfigure all my stack again... Yeeee un bolting K8S apps is my passion

#tech #selfhosting

Oh, let’s try a VM with #Docker on #TrueNAS #SCALE to replace #TrueCharts.

7 hours later …

Fully migrated from TrueCharts #Apps to Docker.
Why? TrueCharts is too complex for my use case and requires a lot more knowledge of the underlying system. And has breaking changes more often than I would like it.

It is really hard to upgrade the #Truecharts applications after an upgrade to #TrueNAS Dragonfish 🥴

So now I'm struggling with passing a USB device through to a container and finding there are are basically no docs for the #truecharts apps (lots of autogenerated links, but no actual documentation that is specific to the install). And so I rebooted the whole #TrueNAS scale host, and it comes up showing that no apps are running! Scary! Except that the services did come up, they are just now gone from the UI. So, baffling and annoying at least, and now I can't manage the installs.

Bumped my server from TrueNAS Core to TrueNAS Scale. I've added the truecharts repository to my apps catalog. For apps that TrueNAS offers (like Jellyfin), should I use the truecharts version or the truenas version? #truenas #truecharts #nas

Recently found my #TrueNASScale in need of multiple #TrueCharts app updates. Good. But breaking changes, so: More work, more backups, more possible problems.

I think this is the second batch of breaking updates this year. Not what I expected when I decided for TrueNAS+TrueCharts. Updates are good; having to delete apps and re-install them, with some hacky way to keep the data, is not good. Maybe one time. Not twice a year.

I think I will jump the TrueCharts ship for something less volatile. 😢

@hmiron @train Yes, this is all nice and shiny. But when #TrueCharts issues a breaking change, again, as they did twice this year, you find out pretty quickly that it sucks to not know about that stuff to begin with. As there is only very little documentation, and the support is a discord server. (Both are red flags for a something you have to rely on.)
Don't get me wrong: If you want to learn this stuff: Go for TrueCharts 👍. If you (just) need apps right now, don't 🤷‍♂️.

However, I ended up reinstalling all my apps because of all the breaking changes #TrueCharts has introduced in the last few months.

I am very grateful to the team for the great selection of apps to choose from, but it has become too involving to keep up with their internal processes changing constantly

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🏷️ #selfhosing #truenas #linux #sysadmin #homelab