@simonzerafa I mean obviously #reuse / #UseLonger is better and if your options are "corporate surplus" or nothing then I'd never judge.

To me it's just that #ThinkPad as a brand has really died as every single Device is a #downgrade in #repairability & #upgradeability compared to my #X230Tablet:

• They have #SolderedDownRAM even on P-Series #Workstation machines, not just cheap cheap #Lenovo consoomer devices.

• Batteries ain't toolfree-swappable anymore!

• #WWAN modules are worse (i.e. #Fibocom #850GL aka. #Intel #XMM7360)

• #Linux support gets worse and neither Lenovo nor @ubuntu feel responsible on a "#Ubuntu-certified Workstation" (i.e. #P15v)

• Less & Worse #Docking options.

• Most machines don't offer Linux or to eveb to opt-out of #Govware noone should pay their overcharged premium for (in fact #Microsoft pays Lenovo $25 for every #Windows #preinstall so they don't ship Linux, they don't even pay the $10 for an #OEM-#UEFI-Key, much less the $135+ of a #SystemBuilder version they charge for!)

• ...

Personally, I wish I had €.€€€.€€€ so I could just develop the #NUCbook and be done with the #Enshittification of #Laptops / #Notebooks!

@eri even for a #Laptop or #Tablet I consider the #FrameworkDesktop a total "#WontBuy!" on my end, as it has less #Upgradeability and #Repiarability than a #Lenovo #X230Tablet or #Fairphone #FP3plus, mich less anything I consider "#Desktop" hardware.

• Seriously, @frameworkcomputer could've chosen so much better options or just done some sort of Mounting, adaptors & I/O shield to mount a #FrameworkLaptop mainboard and expand it's I/O to be on-par with a #MacMini and people would've happily accepted that.

It's really sad when #DIYperks put in more effort than an entire company at designing a Desktop!

https://infosec.space/@kkarhan/114096004768883519

@philpem @foone mind you these were made before #JEDEC specified #SODIMM|s and RAM manufacturers like #Infenieon (#Qimonda) and #Micron as well as the trend towards #configureability & #repairability as well as #upgradeability kicked off...

Now that the trend of soldering RAM into #Laptops is taking off from #Apple, #Qualcomm and #AMD, there is #CAMM.

The #SODIMM market will die, and CAMM manufacturing will have to shift to desktops where upgradeability and performance are core features.

https://www.tomshardware.com/pc-components/motherboards/what-is-camm2

#SolderedRAM #TechTrends #FutureOfComputing #Upgradeability #MotherboardDesign #PC #Hardware #Technology

@markstos @MickInTx anyways, it still looks like a proprietary product, where one can flash/install own OS.

The cost for software - I don't want and won't use - is included in the price.

Also, it doesn't seem to be using much of standards for components. Good luck with #repairability or #upgradeability after years.

There are NAS cases from brands, and also no-brand ones on AliExpress (I bought one), that can fit standard mATX/ITX/ATX motherboard - repairable/upgradeable on component level.

There's no good justification for #Apple downgrading #Repairability and #Upgradeability of it's products...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qChfXKhbyyU

@damngoodtech In the end it's a consumer's choice.

People need to be #TechLiterate enough to value #repairability (and #upgradeability) over making tue thinnest devices possible.

Now granted, both @frameworkcomputer amd @Fairphone did manage to design #thinn yet repairable devices, proving that all the #AntiRepair-Arguments are corporate propaganda lies!

Personally I'd accept even #thicc'er devices if that means they'd use more #COTS and less #custom parts...

@gerrymcgovern what would really help is @EU_Commission making #repairability and #upgradeability mandatory.

We don't throw away entire Desktops if just need more storage.

So why should anyone accept that on smartphones, tablets or laptops?