@MsDropbear42 @floorp Well well well, how nice! 💃💃

Floorp Daylight aka Floorp 12 Beta, Version 138.0.2@0.1.21 as available 11 hours ago at https://github.com/Floorp-Projects/Floorp-12/releases/tag/beta, has made a major jump forward in features & reliability.

• Now its #Workspaces seem to work, and survive restarts [older Betas failed on one or both of those]
• it now has native #MouseGestures and they work [so i can remove #Gesturefy]
• its native #WebPanels #Sidebar is less powerful than the #FirefoxSecondSidebar project, but is still excellent & highly usable
• its internal special Floorp settings page, now called Floorp Hub, has regained several [albeit certainly not all] of the fab #Floorp11 UI options

Atm the native #Firefox #TabGroups do not respect Workspaces, ie, persist across all of them, unlike ordinary tabs which now do stay in their respective WS. Thus my next focus of interest will be to see if coming Betas manage to fully integrate these Groups into the Workspaces.

TLDR: This latest Beta is such that i can now seriously consider the possibility of using it as more than just a curiosity, & as an actual daily browser.

#floorp #floorp12

@fnwbr And yet, here i be, revelling in the delightful UX that is my :firefox_nightly: , with all the #telemetry disabled, the #AI disabled, numerous other parameters hardened via my #userJS, with the exquisite #Sidebery & its infinitely-nestable tree-tabs & multiple #Workspaces on its LHS, & the brilliant project #FirefoxSecondSidebar with my 21 #WebPanels on its RHS. It's such a great daily browsing UX, unfazed by the last ten days of global #FUD [all the so-called nasties can be disabled, either via simple clicks in the Settings UI, or otherwise via about:config / user.js]. Herd-mentality is a ridiculous trait of humans. 🙄🤦‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Have decided to give #ZenBrowser another go, but with conditions:

• #Sidebery, not its unreliable* & not-my-cup-of-tea native tabs
• #FirefoxSecondSidebar https://github.com/aminought/firefox-second-sidebar, not its unsatisfactory native #WebPanels

In case anyone wonders, this [temporary?] change from my hitherto daily :firefox_nightly: [#FirefoxNightly + #Sidebery + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar] has nothing to do with the recent global #FUD wrt Mozilla's #TOU / #EULA, but instead is due to the aesthetic pleasantness of :zenbrowser: & the desire to use its #SplitTabView #TabSplitView #TabPaneView; two undeniable advantages over Nightly.

* the Zen subreddit is full of users posting that Zen spontaneously lost all their tabs, or all their pinned tabs, or all their unpinned tabs. In my own past months of using Zen with its native #Workspaces & tabs, it also happened to me, twice, & it is most exasperating.

@levi #VerticalTabs are functional in vanilla :firefox: , but less polished than atm in :firefox_nightly: . #TabGroups atm are badly broken in :firefox: for Vertical, but work ok for Horizontal tabs... otoh TabGroups are working quite well [but still not perfect] for Vertical tabs in :firefox_nightly: .

An advantage that :zenbrowser: & :floorp: have over stock :firefox: & :firefox_nightly: is #WebPanels & #SplitTabView. However, there is a wonderful project called #FirefoxSecondSidebar https://github.com/aminought/firefox-second-sidebar that gives the Foxes a WP UX superior to those two FF forks & also Vivaldi. Furthermore, it can also be used as a defacto Two-Tab-Vertical-Split-View. For these reasons, i lost interest in both :zenbrowser: & :floorp:, & happily use:

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Sidebery + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️
:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = 💜 🎉

@coffe {{{ fwiw, responding as a :firefox_nightly: user who also has used :floorp: :zenbrowser: :vivaldi_browser: :vivaldi_gray: }}}

Both Zen and Vivaldi have features that Firefox lacks

One of these is #WebPanels. Vivaldi's are better than Zen's, comparable to Floorp's, but all are inferior to this fab project; https://github.com/aminought/firefox-second-sidebar #FirefoxSecondSidebar . Months ago i discovered this project & installed it into my :firefox: & :firefox_nightly: . It works so very well, & really lifts the browser UX substantially.

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Sidebery + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️
:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = 💜 🎉

@Flaky The entire point of it, IS for #webpanels. It works brilliantly, & is so good that i was able to dump both #Floorp & #Zen & return to #Nightly, with FSS installed in it, & then in FSS i have 18 frequently-used sites, & one AddOn, as dedicated WPs. Til earlier today i actually had 3 AOs in the FSS, but chose to move 2 of them back to the normal FF toolbar at the top.

I have one :firefox_nightly: profile with FSS & #Sidebery, & another :firefox_nightly: profile with FSS & Nightly's native #VerticalTabs & #TabGroups. They both work very well.

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Sidebery + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = 💜 🎉 🥳 👯‍♀️

Tip #624

Turn Extension pop-out dialogs into Web Panels.

Some Extension dialogs can be quite complex. To make using them easier, you can convert the pop-out dialogs into Web Panels.

To add an extension to Web Panels:

1. Install an extension from Chrome Web Store.
2. Click on it on the Address Bar to open its pop-out dialog.
3. Right-click on the dialog.
4. Select “Add Page to Web Panel” form the context menu.
5. If needed, adjust the width of the panel.

It’s not guaranteed to work with all extensions, but most should behave just fine.

#extensions #WebPanels

https://vivaldi.com/?p=749058

@dec_hl There is so sooooooooo much bullshit, #FUD & outright lies being spread about #Firefox lately. Don't want #AI in it? Fine, simply keep the setting disabled [as i do]. Don't want to be involved in the weirdarse ads thing mozilla did a few months ago? Fine, also keep that setting disabled [as i do]. Maybe Firefox will cease to be if gargle is forced to stop funding Firefox Search? Ok, if/when that happens, it would be time to find another browser, but it has not happened yet & might not happen at all, so running away screaming with hands waving in the air now, as many seem to advocate, is stupid.

My daily browsing experience continues to be magnificent with :firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Sidebery + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar [for #WebPanels].

:floorp: #Floorp 11 was nice to use for a while, but its replacement 12 is months late with minimal public info easily found.

:zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser recently progressed from Alpha to Beta status, but i stopped using it several weeks ago in frustration at the wild swings in browser design the Dev keeps trying. Certainly though it will be worthwhile revisiting once it reaches Stable phase.

Personally i will never ever use Chrome under any circumstances, only occasionally launch Chromium under sufferance, abandoned Vivaldi a couple of years ago, & also dislike Brave... so if the day does ever arise when FF is no more, the remaining choice will be odious indeed.

Tip #610

Reopen closed Web Panels instead of adding them again.

Adding new Web Panels is pretty straightforward in Vivaldi, but when it’s a Web Panel you’ve already had on your browser’s sidebar, it’s even easier to restore it.

To reopen a Web Panel:

1. Right-click on one of the Panel buttons.
2. Select “Closed Web Panels”.
3. Click on the closed Web Panel you want to add back to the sidebar.

#panels #webPanels

https://tips.vivaldi.net/tip-610/

Years ago Opera Presto, then later Vivaldi, switched me onto the substantial browser usability improvements from a dedicated second sidebar incorporating customisable #WebPanels. Sadly, eventually, it became too hard to keep faith with the Vivaldi project for numerous design reasons. #FirefoxNightly :firefox_nightly: with #Sidebery became my new home instead, despite lacking that extra sidebar. Much more recently, #Floorp :floorp: crossed my radar, replete with a Vivaldi-esque WP sidebar, & i was smitten. It does, however, have some issues i dislike, but i tolerated them for the overall good. Then #ZenBrowser :zenbrowser: arrived, & i had a new love, albeit its unusual WP implementation is less convenient than it should be. Atm both :floorp: & :zenbrowser: seem to be heading in design directions less attractive to me, so the age-old quandary continued. Then, a few days ago, i serendipitously stumbled onto this fab project https://github.com/aminought/firefox-second-sidebar, & now i'm as happy as a porcine creature in biological byproduct... :firefox_nightly: with a dedicated second sidebar incorporating customisable #WebPanels. 🎉 🥳 👯‍♀️

Tip #600

Create Keyboard Shortcuts for opening and closings individual Web Panels.

Keyboard Shortcuts are excellent for opening and closing Web Panels for a quick glance. But before you toggle Web Panels with Keyboard Shortcuts, you need to assign each panel its unique shortcut.

To add Keyboard Shortcuts:

1. Go to Settings > Keyboard Shortcuts > View.
2. Find the command “Web Panel 1”.
3. Click in the box next to it.
4. Press the keys you want to use for the shortcut on your keyboard.
5. Repeat with other Web Panels.

Then whenever you want to open one of the web panels just use the shortcut for both opening and closing the panel. If you already have one open, the shortcut will switch focus to the one you need.

#keyboardShortcuts #webPanels

https://tips.vivaldi.net/tip-600/

Tip #558

Vivaldi’s Web Panels aren’t limited to just the mobile view. Learn how to get the desktop version.

Web Panels show you the mobile view of a web page. Some websites show pages on mobile much differently than on desktop or don’t even let you use some of the site’s functionality. Don’t let this stop you! Simply click on the “Switch to Desktop/Mobile View” button at the top of the panel and get to the content you’re after.

If things are a bit tight with the desktop view, check out Tip #15 and learn how to make the web panel wider without changing the size of the other Panels.

#panels #webPanels

https://tips.vivaldi.net/tip-558/

Tip #509

Open Web Panels in new tabs from the panel’s context menu.

Web Panels are great for taking a quick glance at a website, but occasionally the mobile-sized view may not be enough. In that case, you can open the current page you have open in the Web Panel in a tab instead.

To open a Web Panel in a tab:

1. Right-click on the Web Panel’s icon on the sidebar.
2. From the menu, select “Open In” and where you want to open the tab:
   • New Tab,
   • Background Tab,
   • Current Tab,
   • New Window,
   • New Private Window.

#tabs #webPanels

https://tips.vivaldi.net/tip-509/

Une nouvelle rubrique d'#AideEnLigne vient de faire son apparition (pas encore traduite en FR 🇫🇷) et s'adresse plutôt à celles et ceux qui font le #Web, pour les informer des petites #subtilités propres à #Vivaldi :vivaldi_red: (#Desktop, surtout).

#Help #DevWeb #Bookmarks #Colors #Link #NextPage #WebPanels
#Mail #Calendar

https://help.vivaldi.com/developers/

Vous pouvez vous abonner :rss: à cette rubrique pour suivre ses évolutions à venir : https://help.vivaldi.com/developers/feed/atom/

@dale They should reach out to the under-resourced Dev of Floorp, & either make them an offer too good to refuse 😜​, or else fork their fork [of FF] back into the parent product. :floorp:​ provides several of the must-have functions so badly missing in #Firefox, including but not only:

• Vivaldiesque dedicated multi-option #SidePanel for #WebPanels
• baked-in
  • #SplitTabView
  • Notes
  • #ProfileSwitcher
  • #Vertical Tabs [& full compatibility with #TreeStyleTab for extra functionality]
  • #workspaces [albeit afaik the Dev atm plans to replace this sometime this year with something else]
  • Custom keyboard shortcuts
• numerous UI config options just by clicking in Preferences, without needing external CSS

#Floorp :floorp:​

@soop My initial thought to your question was to mock, via this word substitution...

what does not-murdering peeps have over murdering peeps if you ignore the moral side of the choice? [insert your preferred act]

However to be serious, i'd offer these thoughts [only a sample]:

• ongoing existence of #Firefox helps forestall an otherwise browser-engine total monoculture
• container tabs
• cookie management
• #uBlockOrigin already works better in FF than chromium, & coming later this year, google will break uBO entirely.
• [though i sincerely wish this functionality was native within FF] chromium browsers have no equivalent to either #TreeStyleTab nor #Sidebery #AddOns, which provide [both, but especially the latter] the most sophisticated granular tabs management of all browsers

EDITED to add:

The existence of #Firefox means the existence of :firefox:​ forks, a marvellous example of which is :floorp:​ #Floorp. This still has all the benefits of vanilla :firefox:​ [#albeit, #ESR in this case], but adds multiple excellent bells & whistles. I avail myself of many of these enhancements, but IMO THE most notable one is its Vivaldi-esque dedicated side-panel with configurable #WebPanels.

Opinion.

The fully independent [of the default #Firefox #sidebar] #sidepanel with customisable #WebPanels, of #Floorp :floorp:​, just like in :vivaldi_browser:​ before it, & Opera Presto before that, is absolutely stunningly transformational of one's browsing UX. There's simply no going back, once entranced by its productivity boost, to mere garden-variety browsers that lack it.

Tip #382

Left or right? Choose a side for your Panels.

With Vivaldi’s highly customizable user interface, you can move toolbars around as you like. The Panels Toolbar, hosting your Bookmarks, Downloads, Notes, Web Panels and more can be located either on the left or right side of the browser window. Especially when you prefer vertical Tabs (see Tip #204), you need to think about whether you want to have Tabs and Panels on either side of the window or both on the same side.

To move Panels:

1. Go to Settings > Panels > Panel Position.
2. Choose either Left or Right.

#customization #panels #webPanels

https://tips.vivaldi.net/tip-382/

Tip #379

Always see the latest content by periodically reloading Web Panels.

Following a social media feed, live updates to an event, or changes on the financial market in Web Panels? With periodic reloading of the panel you can always be up to date with the latest information.

To automatically reload Web Panels at your chosen internal:

1. Right-click on the web panel’s button.
2. Select Periodic Reload and how often you want the content to reload.

To learn how to set Tabs to periodically reload, check out Tip #120.

#webPanels

https://tips.vivaldi.net/tip-379/