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What those with trial experience think of removing #juries

David #Lammy to cut number of #jury trials in England, Wales. A defendant, a victim, a barrister, a KC, a judge and a juror have concerns

We spoke to a range of people who have seen juries’ work close up about their experiences and the proposals.

https://www.theguardian.com/law/2025/dec/07/authoritarian-state-trial-by-jury-uk

#ToxicLabour #KeirStalin #freedom #tyrants #dictators #oppression #dystopia #PoliceState

“Natalie Strecker’s Acquittal on ‘Terrorist’ Charges Is A Victory for Palestine Solidarity & a Setback to the Attempts to Criminalise Activists”

by veteran UK anti-Zionist campaigner in his latest blogpost

@uk_politics
@UKLabour

“Now We Need to Build Support for the Hunger Strikers & Defeat Lammy’s Attempts to Abolish Juries”

https://azvsas.blogspot.com/2025/12/natalie-streckers-acquittal-on.html

#Press #UK #PalAction #Proscription #Terrorism #Strecker #Acquittal #Lammy #JuryTrials #Filton24 #HungerStrikers

My Wife and I met up with my Ma for a nice lunch in Covent Garden and also laughed at how two faced David Lammy is.

https://bylinetimes.com/2025/12/03/david-lammy-scrap-automatic-right-to-appeal-risk-increasing-miscarriages-of-justice/

#DavidLammy #Lammy #JuryTrials #RightToAppeal #UKLaw #Justice #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS

#justice #liberty #LINO #lammy Just goes to show how far right our once proud party has moved. #resist ✊🏿

Wondering if David Lammy would like a jury for his trial over enabling a genocide in Gaza while as Foreign Secretary or would want a judge "on his side" making that decision.

Bit of a two tier law system in that case....

#UKLaw #DavidLammy #Lammy #Gaza #ForeignOffice #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS #Justice #Genocide

David #Lammy,
“Trials are a fundamental part of our democratic settlement. Criminal trials without juries are a bad idea.”
And,
<<I have principles. If they are inconvenient, I have others,>>

Why is the UK scaling back jury trials, and why is it controversial? | Civil Rights News | Al Jazeera
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2025/12/2/why-is-the-uk-scaling-back-jury-trials-and-why-is-it-controversial
#juries

"David Lammy's Massive Mistake"

This is about Jury Nullification, isn't it? It's about allowing the Rich to predate on us with no way to protest back.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2025/dec/02/david-lammy-jury-trials-cuts-labour-mps-peers

#DavidLammy #Lammy #UKLaw #JuryTrials #PalestineAction #DefendOurJuries #FreeSpeech

Abolishing trial by jury: why is the government overlooking the obvious?

https://web.brid.gy/r/https://thesecretbarrister.com/2025/12/02/abolishing-trial-by-jury-why-is-the-government-overlooking-the-obvious/

So why did Lammy dismiss the Leveson plan and go with his own? Is he that desperate to save the Government embarrassment from Palestine Action style jury trials?

Is UKGOV intent on destroying itself to protect Israel?

#Lammy #JuryTrials #UKLaw #Austerity #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS #PalestineAction #Israel #LawSocietyOfEngland&Wales

now 15.42 GMT

Law Society says Brian Leveson's plan to restrict number of jury
trials better than Lammy's

The Law Society of England and Wales, like the former lord chief justice Lord
Thomas of Cwmgiedd (see 3.27pm), has said that the government should
have stuck to the Leveson plan to restrict the use of jury trials.

In a statement, Brett Dixon, the society’s vice president, said:

44 Sir Brian Leveson’s recommendations, including two magistrates sitting
alongside a judge in the new court, retained an element of lay participation in
determining a person’s guilt or innocence. The government's proposals remove
this.

Allowing a single judge, operating in an under resourced system, to decide guilt
in a serious and potentially life changing case is a dramatic departure from our
shared values.

The government cannot justify stripping away this fundamental right without
publishing clear evidence that putting more cases in the hands of a single judge
will tackle the horrendous backlogs in our courts.

The Leveson proposals, while an uncomfortable compromise, were
understandable given the extensive challenges the criminal justice system faces
including unacceptable delays for victims, witnesses and defendants. Going
beyond them is not.

This is all David Lammy's choice....

#Lammy #JuryTrials #UKLaw #Austerity #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS

6mago 15.27 GMT

Lord Thomas of Cwmgiedd, a former lord chief justice of England and Wales,
told Radio 4’s the World at One that it might have been better for David
Lammy to stick to the Brian Leveson proposal, which was for some jury trials
to be replaced by a judge sitting with two magistrates. Instead, Lammy is
replacing some jury trials with judge-only trials.

Thomas said:

44 We ought to pause long and hard before we remove the lay element from
trying the more serious cases

My experience has been that when I've sat on appeals - which a judge sits with
two magistrates - or I've sat in arbitrations and other cases where one has lay
people with one, it’s very good. It produces balance, it brings to a court what a
jury brings, which is some experience of people with everyday knowledge of life.

Plaid Cymru are not fooled either

#PlaidCymru #LizSavilleRoberts #Lammy #JuryTrials #UKLaw #Austerity #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS

2mago 15.31 GMT

Liz Saville Roberts, the Plaid Cymru leader at Westminster, has also criticised
the plans to curb the use of jury trials, saying juries are not the cause of the
problems in the court system.

She said:

44 Juries are not the problem - chronic underinvestment is.

Victims will continue to see justice delayed unless the UK government gets the
basics right after years of deliberate underfunding. Rotten buildings and
overloaded staff are a fundamental barrier to the provision of justice.

Even in watered-down form, any attempt to restrict jury trials sets a dangerous
precedent.

When she raised this point in the Commons during David Lammy’s
statement, Saville Roberts cited Caernarfon justice centre as an example. She
said, even though it was only 16 years old, the roof leaked and the heating
did not work.

"We shall follow the Russian model (incidentally where domestic abuse isn't illegal)"

#UKLaw #Lammy #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS #JuryTrials #Justice #Russia #RichardBurgon

2hago 1316 GMT

Richard Burgon (Lab) says the prospect of someone being jailed for three
years without a jury hearing the case “sends a chill through my heart”. He
suggest this is the sort of thing that would happen in Putin's Russia.
Lammy says justice is not being served now. And he says he would not view
the courts in this country as being anything like Russia.

"It's the Women's fault for crying rape so often" implies Lammy

What a bizarre point to make....Marital Rape was outlawed I think before I was born, in case you thought Lammy was referencing something recent.

#UKLaw #Lammy #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS #Justice #PalestineAction #DefendOurJuries #Patriarchy #MaritalRape

2hago 13.27 GMT

Saqib Bhatti (Con) says: “The idea that you have to scrap jury trials to save
jury trials is simply farcical”

Lammy says the law changes all the time. He says it was only relatively
recently what marital rape was outlawed. The system has to modernise, he
says.

Judges are overwhelmingly White, Male and Right Wing still. Lammy wants to have racial and gender issues decided by the same old white Patriarchy that it always has....

#UKLaw #Lammy #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS #Justice #PalestineAction #DefendOurJuries #Whiteness

hago 14.00 GMT

Igbal Mohamed (ind) asks about concerns that there will be more racial
discrimination in sentencing without jury trials.

Lammy says, as Mohamed knows, he conducted a review for the David
Cameron on the treatment of black, Asian and minority ethnic people in the
criminal justice system. He says at the time there was no special training in
this area, but that changed as a result of his review. He says there is more
diversity now in the judiciary and among magistrates. And he says juries do
not have to give their reasoning, but judges do.

The Greens aren't falling for it. This is a clear assault on the right to protest and the right to have Free Speech and your day in court. This isn't about "cutting waiting times", it's about cutting the People out of Law.

#UKLaw #Lammy #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS #Justice #PalestineAction #Greens #GPEW #DefendOurJuries

mago 1522 GMT
The Green party has criticised the plan to restrict jury trials. In a statement
the Green MP Sian Berry said:
44 The focus on victims’ rights is appreciated, but this Labour government is
taking the wrong steps to try to serve us better, and laying the groundwork for
further crackdowns on dissent, whistleblowing and protest if it removes juries
from so many charges that have state or corporate victims.
Juries are also a safeguard against creeping bias and discrimination. Judges are
not currently representative of our wider communities and, under these plans,
individual decisions will be at risk of damaging politicisation, while individual
judges who are women or from minoritised communities risk attacks from the
far right.

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That doesn't mean they are right, just that they fuck up lives on a single decision and can live with that.

#UKLaw #Lammy #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS #Justice

2hago 13.46 GUT

Jim Allister (TUV) says, whatever the intellectual capacity of a judge, they do
not have the life experience of 12 jurors.

Lammy says judges make life-changing decisions the whole time. He says he
has an adopted daughter; there is no greater decision than having to approve
a child being taken away from its parents. He says judges are used to taking
these decisions.

There it is.... Protestors won't get trials, won't get a chance to make their case before the Public, Lammy wants to silence dissent and doesn't care if Reform get in and turn the tables on him like the Dems have in the States....

Centrists enable fascism

#PalestineAction #UKLaw #FreeSpeech #Lammy #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS #Labour #Fascism

2hago 13.32GMT
Lammy dismisses Labour MP's call for jury trials to be retained
for offences relating to right to protest
Sarah Russell (Lab) says she is particularly worried about people being
denied trial by jury if they are charge in relation to the right to protests,
where the law has been tightened a lot by governments of both parties. She
says juries should continue to be involved in these cases, even if they are
“either way” offences (where, under Lammy’s plans, cases would not go to a
jury).
Lammy says it should be up to magistrates and the judiciary to decide.

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With things like this you have to ask yourself, "are you comfortable with Reform UK deciding who gets a jury trial and who doesn't?"

Lammy is an enabler for Fascism

#UKLaw #JuryTrials #Labour #Lammy #ReformUK #UKPOL #UKPOLITICS #Justice

Jury trials to be scrapped for cases where
sentences are likely to be less than three
years, says Lammy - UK politics live

Justice secretary expected to pull back from plans to

reserve jury trials from only the most serious cases

OK, I know that human rights are this new-fangled European thing (except, you know, largely drafted by Brit lawyers after WWII), but trial by jury is about as fundamental to the English polity as you can get.[<*]

At this rate, there will be very little left for #Reform to do to turn the country into a fascist fantasia. What have we done to deserve this bunch of myopic charlatans?

#Labour #lammy #UKPol

[<* just bearing in mind different national legal traditions and histories].

#lammy

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