#toxicIdealism

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-09-12

@isaackuo

so many people don't recognize is an extremely easy to suppress the vote

it's so easy to make a account, throw up some left signifiers in a profile, and troll away with high holy fire and brimstone about perfection

of course, some of these voices are real

but if anyone thinks this sentiment does anything except help win, they are a fool

better or worse is the only options we will ever get

forever

choose better, and iterate

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-09-12

Are you loving it?

How do we replicate it across the ?

Mob the fuck out of

Get real candidates in the general

farms will be harping on to suppress the on the left. This has been going on for awhile now. Do not listen to such voices

"They're nice but {insert deranged appeal to here} so I'm not voting" is how and operates on *you*

nytimes.com/2025/09/09/nyregio

The New York Times/Siena Poll

Sept. 2-6

If the 2025 New York City mayoral election were held today, who would you vote for?

Zohran Mamdani headshot
Zohran Mamdani
46%
Andrew Cuomo headshot
Andrew Cuomo
24%
Curtis Sliwa headshot
Curtis Sliwa
15%
Eric Adams headshot
Eric Adams
9%
Don’t know/did not say
5%
mmalcmmalc
2025-08-26

@Eetschrijver @GottaLaff

My commiserations to everyone in the thread(s) β€” apart from the antagonist of course.

Yet another example of (h/t @benroyce)

[PersonA β€” typically a politician] isn't 100% aligned with my views on [TopicB] so they should be excoriated, even though that’ll be to the advantage of [PersonC β€” again, typically a politician, but who competes with PersonA and who is objectively much, much worse]

I hope everyone's day gets better

mmalcmmalc
2025-08-13

@HamonWry @Strandjunker

@benroyce is probably the best person to comment on this, but I'm not sure it's just that people "couldn't be bothered”. There was an epidemic of spread perhaps primarily by the β€œG-n-c-d- Joe” brigade leading a non-trivial number to not vote as some sort of masochistic protest.

The left wing must, finally, learn the lesson:
Fight in the primaries, unite in the election

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-07-31

@billyjoebowers @tarheel @Okanogen @trochee @paninid

is a sad combination of:

1. alienation from the world

the world is ugly. it's debilitating

but we live in the real world. it has to be faced, no matter how ugly

2. tweaking the ego

no excuse for that. narcissistic self-regard above all else is repellant

also, they frequently cite moral arguments

problem is, morality is about action

if your "morality" argues for inaction, it isn't morality at all

it's ego masturbation

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-07-06

@darwinwoodka

"it's never my fault" is a standard personality trait of

that's amongst the many things essentially is (besides , , etc):

politically weaponized narcissism

millions of Americans out there, turned out to by a campaign in right wing and catering to their personality disorders

(the same psyop campaigns work over personality disorders common on the left, such as , to suppress the vote on the left)

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-06-22

@bouriquet @draNgNon

north korea has elections too

obviously is in peril, but that's no reason to capitulate prematurely out of

voting is merely a realm of a larger battle

you participate because a shifts the battle lines

"but i want perfection now so i'm not voting" like an airhead makes the struggle harder

you move in a direction, you don't stand on

it's not romantic, it's pragmatic

or, don't vote

now we're even more fucked

2025-05-07

Another genuinely fine specimen of the "Here's an awful thing about Trump and why you should be angry with somebody else about it"-genre.

Remember the pattern. It is troll action and should be recognized as such.

The direction of the anger is the point.

Update: Now with Alt-text.
#ToxicIdealism #genre #FalseFlagSockPuppets #FalseFriends #AgentsOfDismay

A cartoon titled "Mission impossible". Trump eating crayons insted of playing chess. Across the board Mark Carney seen from behind with a thought bubble containing the word "sigh", or something for the picture?

Below it a post from an anonymous account stating:

"Get up from the table and walk away. Stop treating the toddler like he's going to start playing chess. 

How do you expect Americans to #StopTheCoup when you recognize the treason clown as a legitimate leader."

Which is about as unhelpful as a comment can be. But that's obviously the point.
Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-04-28

@BeautifulThings@beige.party @pixelpusher220

many on the left don't see that their own immature helps the fascist GOP win

yes, a lot of the whiny "i want perfect or i don't vote" shit on social media is trolls working a psyop on airhead leftist

but the trolls do it because it works

the fucking entitled airheads fall for it

yes, entitled:

if the stakes aren't enough to move you to , however imperfect the choice, you are entitled

:

show the fuck up, impotent assholes

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-04-21

@CStamp @ZDL @mikelovesbikes @wendinoakland @todymotmot @profdc9 @GutterPoetry @zakalwe

you would think people would notice the extensive to convince the to not vote, via various methods: , , premature empty cynical capitulation, "BoTh SiDeS tHe SaMe" and other endless bullshit, and understand that what they should do is

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-04-21

@The_Caretaker@urbanists.social @72mz @farbel @MannyDexter @MrBirch @grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @zakalwe

right, typical

"dems kill palestinians, i'll never vote dem"

and thus we get trump and many more dead palestinians

while if you vote dem, you get less dead palestinians

that should matter to you

but no

what matters to you is impossible purity

not the reality you live in

thus you have a big heart

and no fucking brain:

your nonvote, in reality, *harms* palestinians

mmalcmmalc
2025-04-21

@bebadefabo @dragonsidedd@mstdn.science

Beyond this, though, the original assertion is ill-founded.

In a "first past the post” system such as we have currently, *logically* all a party has to be is "least worst”.

Granted, that's not particularly motivating, but acknowledging that would be better than the @benroyce frequently calls out.

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-04-19

@todymotmot @FranceskaMann @profdc9 @zakalwe @wendinoakland @GutterPoetry

the essential failure of is as follows:

if one can justify a position inside the ivory tower mind palace of one's self-regard, then that is "morality"

no, it's masturbation

true is action, even if it is messy

but they value the purity of themselves, over actually mattering to the world

the real world is too messy, they can't be bothered with messiness

ego over

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-04-19

@grumble209 @todymotmot @wendinoakland @profdc9 @GutterPoetry @zakalwe

you're not the fool

the suck but they are obviously better than

the fools are those who think they have no stake in the outcome

they are entitled people

they believe a presidency won't touch them

they sit out and demand perfection over simply better

people who think like that will never prevail in this world

it's *always* strategy. and via their fragile , they lose. we all lose

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-04-19

@todymotmot @profdc9 @GutterPoetry @zakalwe

yeah the spineless cynicism on the is nothing but premature capitulation to malice

combined with and , it's self-destruction

you need to fight

always

you need to be positive

always

and you need to accept better rather than whining about not getting perfect

always

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-03-22

@IndieGoblin @RobotDiver @RegGuy

Robot Diver:

would you admit that from or internationally lies and falsely depicts 's record to suppress the ?

if you do, please don't buy that manipulation anymore

most importantly:

there is a metric shitton of that lying psyop on AOC coming

absolutely nobody thinks AOC is perfect

there is no hero worship here, that's what maga morons do

understand the game of lies to elicit to suppress the vote

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-03-22

@CStamp @RobotDiver @RegGuy

a lot of the you see on in terms of "they're not perfect, so don't " is the same as a russian putting an american flag on their handle and goosing narratives targeting

fake on the with lazy easy bonafides to do their

they do it, because it unfortunately works

toxic idealism is a real problem with rhetoric

they suppress the left vote and we get

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-03-22

@RobotDiver @RegGuy

i don't really give a shit about these "they're not perfect" takes

you can find dirt on anyone

overall, and are way better than any other credible challenge, and that's what matters

is a problem in this world

do not fall for it

and plenty of it is just a by and to incapacitate your

do not fall for it!

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-03-19

@inthehands @StillIRise1963 @tarheel

why i'm posting this now

means enough to stonewall

but as the time draws near you will hear the same old whiny lies:

"both sides the same"

"corruption is everything"

"nothing matters"

"waah waah"

some of it is real

some of it is

advertising their fake bonafides, like an american flag profile on injecting a agenda

people fall for it

Ben Royce πŸ‡ΊπŸ‡¦ πŸ‡ΈπŸ‡©benroyce
2025-03-19

last year i had heated arguments with nonvoters

putting aside accounts working a , some of them were real (that's why they work this psyop: is real)

the suck

but the choice matters

you *build* on it

you iterate

you don't expect perfect, then pout when you don't get it

:

, motherfuckers

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