Along with the tech-centric WhatsApp groups Krishnan had organized out of a16z,
Andreessen joined a slew of others,
including ones that Torenberg set up for tech founders and for more political discussions.
The tech chats tended to be on WhatsApp and the political ones on Signal, which is more fully encrypted,
and they had different settings.
(âEvery group chat ends up being about memes and humor and the goal of the group chat is to get as close to the line of being actually objectionable without tripping it,â Andreessen told Fridman.
âPeople will set to 5 minutes before they send something particularly inflammatory.â)
After a group of liberal intellectuals published a letter in Harperâs on July 7, 2020, some of its signers were invited to join a Signal group called âEverything Is Fine.â
There, writers including #Kmele #Foster, who co-hosts the podcast
"The Fifth Column", Persuasion founder #Yascha #Mounk, and the Harperâs letter contributor Williams joined Andreessen and a group that also included the anti-woke conservative activist #Chris #Rufo.
The new participants were charmed by Andreessenâs engagement:
âHe was the most available, the most present, the most texting of anybody in the group
â which shocked me because it seemed like he was the most important person in the group,â one said.
But the center didnât hold.
The liberal Harperâs types were surprised to find what one described an
âilliberal worldviewâ among tech figures more concerned with power than speech.
The conservatives found the liberal intellectuals tiresome, committed to what Rufo described to me as âinfinite discourseâ over action.
The breaking point came on July 5, 2021, when Foster and Williams,
along with the never-Trump conservative #David #French and the liberal academic #Jason #Stanley,
wrote a New York Times op-ed criticizing new laws against teaching âcritical race theory.â
âEven if this censorship is legal in the narrow context of public primary and secondary education,
it is antithetical to educating students in the culture of American free expression,â
they wrote.
The conservatives had thought the Harperâs letter writers were their allies in an all-out ideological battle,
and considered their position a betrayal.
Andreessen âwent really ballistic in a quite personal way at Thomas,â
a participant recalled.
The group ended after Andreessen âwrote something along the lines of
âthank you everybody, I think itâs time to take a Signal break,ââ another said.
The meltdown of this liberal-tech alliance was, to #Rufo, a healthy development.
âA lot of these technologists hoped that the centrist path was a viable one, because it would permit them in theory to change the culture without having to expose themselves to the risk of becoming partisans,â
he said.
âBy 2021, the smartest people in tech understood that these people were a dead end
â so the group chats exploded and reformulated on more explicitly political lines.â
Rufo had been there all along:
âI looked at these chats as a good investment of my time to radicalize tech elites who I thought were the most likely and high-impact new coalition partners for the right.â
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#VivekRamaswamy #ErikTorenberg #Krishnan
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