@markmcelroy From a full communion partner….I don’t know much. Assuming North America UMC? I wouldn’t say I get much of any vibe from it, feels very standard. Kind of like “Yep, this exists” - it doesn’t invoke anything in me. I know it’s supposed to be fire, but doesn’t feel like it. 42. (I’m in the ELCA, ours is total garbage. Episcopal Shield is where it’s at)