Can we unpin this post now? No offense to the post, but this community is for all Apple products and we’re well past the Vision Pro release.

I have because Safari is just better UI wise on iPhone and syncs to macOS’s Safari. I really don’t like any other browser on iOS.

Beta 1 definitely doesn’t represent the final UI product. If you compare it to the WWDC Liquid Glass video, they’ve got tweaking to do. However with that said, LG is so much better in person and in use than pictures and video portray.

It’s exactly the opposite on iPhone. Most f the chrome is now extremely minimized. He’s just bitching about macOS.

I want that too but with Linux + Waydroid on software, Convertible form factor + VoLTE + x86 on hardware side

Oh, it’s a cool theme, to be sure. But they overshot and need a lot of feedback to correct the mistakes. Let them know the places where this doesn’t work so they can improve it. The same was true several years ago when they last overhauled the UI (a lot of errors got fixed that summer), only this is far more ambitious and they need as much feedback as they can get.

Integration with macOS and features like synchronization with iOS/iPhone or generating new iCloud mail addresses.

I always use other browsers in parallel. Sadly they typically fail to adhere to macOS UI conventions or don’t integrate as well across devices.

I use Waterfox (Firefox fork) as a secondary browser because of the more powerful extensions. Other than that usability and OS integration is worse.

Camino used to a be a good Mozilla/gecko browser back in day. Sadly it was abandoned a long time ago.

The screenshots show the same functionality.

Gestures like pinch to zoom or swiping photos are easier with touch. Drawing a shape or writing a signature are another thing.

Multitouch is something a mouse can’t do at all. Macs have quite a nice set of gestures that can be used with the touchpad. A touch screen could use similar gestures.

For laptops touch screens are useful. Especially on convertible laptops, that transform into a tablet when folding over the screen completely. Also when you’re using it with more than one person at the same time.

For desktops, I don’t really see much of a benefit. Apple’s touchpads are pretty nice for that use case. I used to have a mouse on the right and a touchpad on the left of my keyboard.

Apple has completely failed to build a great convertible laptop for many years now. Windows laptops do it somewhat okay, but this is the product category where Apple could actually build something great. Apple Pencil on a convertible MacBook would fly off the shelves.

Since Tim Cook’s reign started there has been little vision regarding product design.

Apple should go beyond iOS, iPadOS, macOS to a unified operating system with an adaptive UI. I want to connect my phone with an M-series chip inside (or watch) to a thunderbolt hub and have a full desktop experience. iOS/iPadOS are too neutered. macOS is too neglected. VisionOS is a dead end toy.

I don’t want synchronization between four devices, I want one device that does everything and connects to various peripheries.

Holy shit, the new controls are massive.

Leopard was peak Mac OS X.

Any recommendations?

I’ve been using the iOS beta. I can’t speak to the Mac beta. For iOS, the execution needs work, but I think I actually agree with the sentiment that content should own the entire screen and the controls should float over the content. However, there are some serious readability concerns that they need to sort out. But think of Instagram from 5 years ago compared to TikTok. TikTok really demonstrated how the content should take over the screen, and now every major social media app has a TikTok style vertical feed that fills your entire screen. I don’t use TikTok, but I enjoy apps that let content take up the screen. Apple does things that are genuinely really frustrating like refusing to redesign the Magic Mouse or putting the power button on the bottom of the Mac Mini. But in this case, I think maybe we should let Apple Cook - pun intended - but push back on obvious flaws like readability.

I agree that their browser is broadly speaking pretty bad, but I also happen to think that native apps are generally preferable on account of web tech being a large pile of flaming garbage.

Broken clocks and all I guess

Safari is the new Internet Explorer. A lot of Web APIs don’t work on it, or are incomplete. Apple is still trying to push users to use native apps over Web apps, where they can get their 30% on app sales and IAP.

@Zorque Habit, I guess. If I create a website, I can chose from about 70 templates with Everweb, no of them having a two column lay out.
So I guess it’s difficult to get this right in HTML but I’m by no means an expert on this topic.

So why dont sites use multiple columns?

That you’re terrible at reading?

@brandon @Zorque This has been researched about hundred times and for most readers in the Roman alphabet lines between 55 and 70 characters - a space is a character too - are easiest to read. Hence scientific articles in Latex and similar later text mark up languages use two columns on a A4 paper.

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