@adamgreenfield

I was thinking that maybe your challenge could ultimately be framed as kind of concern with fetishism, and formulated as a riff on Marx, if one were that way inclined:

It is nothing but the definite social relation between humans themselves which assumes, for them, the fantastic form of a screenless interaction between participants.

Might be a bit of a cheap dig to put it like that, though!

@adamgreenfield
For the rest, I imagine enthusiasts are going to say, personally, we don't like structural inequalities and social domination, and would like to see society evolve away from that stuff. But this is a much more modest project, if anything either a small contribution to that evolution, or at least neutral, neither aiding nor hindering it.

And for my part I'm still curious to understand better how you think, if I'm right that the you, that the modest project actively furthers inequality and domination.

@adamgreenfield

Then there's your point about more computation: I suspect Victor would say he's also trying to reduce the amount of computation going around! All the stuff about eye contact and hands and objects.

@adamgreenfield
That's probably a big enough ask. Judging by the videos and Victor's site, the milieu already seem to credit itself with some social sophistication. But it's in a different location to the one you're interested in; like you say --- granular.

@adamgreenfield
Basically my questions boil down to: can you imagine that the issues you have in mind can be resolved by making the tech better, or do we instead have to make the social context better?

Is that even the right dichotomy?

The appealing promise of sociality in Dynamicland’s computational public space is undermined — at least so far as I can perceive, in the materials available to me — by the lack of a robust theory of the public. It offers an idealized kind of small-group interactivity, in an equally idealized setting (a tidy, well-lit room with no conflict). It sidesteps any question of antagonism, exclusion, contestation or mess. The “public” we see here is effectively homogeneous, polite and zero-stakes.

@adamgreenfield
Why are you particularly interested in the thoughts of the people developing dynamicland?

You feel like the design of the thing might go in different directions if they were thinking more about the limits of informational habermasianism?

Is it about asking where might this tech go if it moved towards (your term) the 'social structuring of information'?

Assuming so, how could we dwell with that question a bit longer?

@adamgreenfield

is the post @ nesevis responded to mid-way through the thread? and it continues ...

https://social.coop/@adamgreenfield/114698644715921867

...here?

OK, then like the man says: pull up your cushions, and whatever else you have with you that makes life bearable in Texas...’cause this is going to go on for awhile.

Our text here is going to be a video from Dynamicland called “Computational Public Space” that’s been making the rounds lately. Here it is again, if you haven’t seen it: https://dynamicland.org/2024/Computational_Public_Space/

It’s been getting a lot of accolades, tending toward jaw-on-the-floor *whoah*, and I wanted to explain why I can’t quite affirm it fully.

@netblocks
That last point is interesting. I’d noticed the ‘normalized’ label and was wondering about how you calculate what counts as 100%. Perhaps a small print caveat or explanation on the graphic itself wouldn’t go astray.

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@dj3ei @malte

vielen dank für die vorschläge!

so nen adapter auf USB ist eine gute idee, doch handelt es sich leider um einen speziellen 12mm-LIF-anschluss so wie hier abgebildet: https://blog.os-store.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/09/SONY_SSD_Z1_Z2_compare_2_mlogo-700x525.jpg

(genauer gesagt, um 2, denn zwei SSDs in RAID-anordnung)

@berlin
thanks for taking the time to answer!

i’ll take a look at that link.

@fundtruhe

Anyone in #Berlin got a

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