Why can we fairly effectively #isolateGab but can't seem to #fediblock eris and her ilk? Like, I know the answer is white supremacy at the end of the day, but are some of you really okay with it if the bigotry is wearing rainbow? Seems fucked to me.

I know so many black people's lives are made unnecessarily harder by the constant harassment and defending of the harassment by whites who "haven't seen anything about this".

And it's not like people don't block their harassers... This place needs better tooling, but until then can we not all come together about it like we did against Gab? I know some of you weren't here yet when that was taking place, but there was a separating of the fediverse to fairly effectively isolate a hate group instance in their own little hate bubble. There is no reason we can't work to make this space safer for black folk, especially our black queer siblings.

@rwg I’ll work to quantify that - it def existed. I was a leader in #isolategab efforts… but almost all were “federate gab regardless” as a pure libertarian stance & suspect those are now still “federate Threads regardless” (a camp as you read in my blog I’m not in )…but in both cases they were a fringe, if a loud one sometimes.

#isolategab - for those choosing “what is gab?” Here is your answer and a good summary of how things started: https://www.vice.com/en/article/mb8y3x/the-nazi-free-alternative-to-twitter-is-now-home-to-the-biggest-far-right-social-network

@tchambers I very staunchly opposed #IsolateGab and would be interested in hearing your take.

Am seeing some (to my memory) mistaken history on the Fediverse organizing that I was senior in, that successfully fought to #isolategab back in the day. Was thinking about writing up a detailed, sourced account of that movement as I was very much on those front lines advocating to block. I’d also list differences between then and now with Meta in my view. What do you think?

@probgoblin @timmy @nexusofprivacy

I think more like this:

The fight started May 2019 when gab announced the fork. But hadn't done anything yet.

July 4th, 2019 is when they launched with federation. *After* that the mass #IsolateGab effort kicked in fast.

Sometime around June *2020* ... gab dropped federation, but we didn't know.

And we learned we won that Dec 2020.

So it took a while.

@timmy there was a typo that makes it confusing, but he's saying he was part of the effort to #IsolateGab, so has first-hand knowledge

@tchambers so with Gab, instances didn't defederate at first but waited until trolling caused moderation issues?

@Gargron's post at the time focuses on their philosophy and worldview, it doesn't mention anything about trolling or moderation. https://blog.joinmastodon.org/2019/07/statement-on-gabs-fork-of-mastodon/

And https://www.theverge.com/2019/7/12/20691957/mastodon-decentralized-social-network-gab-migration-fediverse-app-blocking only talks about moderation issues on Gab, not elsewhere.

@tchambers @nexusofprivacy what do you mean #IsolateGab wasn’t a preemptive strike? Are you drawing some distinction here that I’m not seeing? That seems like an ahistorical retelling of how that went

@nexusofprivacy Second suggestion for an addition: I was very involved in the #IsolateGab movement.

I'd add the note that one of the reasons for the full unity there is that it *wasn't* a preemptive strike at defederating.

It was NOT doing a first strike that helped us unify around a full fediverse-wide fediblock once they showed their intent. And even then, prior to the full fediblock, moderation tools helped off one by one cases well protecting our people.

@CatherineFlick And some people see FB/Meta's track record as disqualifying: human rights violations, discriminatory housing ads, aiding authoritarians in multiple elections, genocide, privacy violations etc etc etc. From that perspective - #DefederateMeta is analogous to #IsolateGab -- see the poll at https://indieweb.social/@jdp23/110449505980762006 (2/3) @tchambers @smallpatatas

@jdp23 @edendestroyer @fancysandwiches

Yes: I was very involved in the #IsolateGab movement back in the day.
But for Gab itself that wasn't a feiblock first strike on the Fediverse side. Gab made clear their policies on hate and moderation they would use on the Fedi.

And if Meta did the same in how they join the Fediverse - that is what we are working to verify if they do and go from there.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trust,_but_verify

@lrhodes Technically there is a brand that predates all the ones mentioned but apparently a lot of people don't know about it because it was rightfully yeeted from the fedi: Pawoo.

Oh and addendum: don't just block Facebook, but also everyone who doesn't block Facebook.
Remember #isolategab ? Same thing.

@gunchleoc @atomicpoet Also search and look up older posts with the tag #IsolateGab

cc: @isolategab

@Are0h See the #IsolateGab history with the Fediverse.

@coreylweathers @Laylacodesit

you need to understand masto instances are often small communities run by a single admin. The admin cam choose who to federate with. Its more like a curated feed than just all or nothing. Generally instances defederate from other instances which condone bad behavior aka aholes. Its a feature not a bug. Look into #isolategab for a lesson on when coordinated defederation has literally saved the fediverse. The fediverse is full of small heroes 🥹

@bewildergeist the #mastoadmins have good muscle memory on how to quickly block those instances at scale. See the #isolategab effort and many since.

@MtreeB @eloquence @SazeracLA @parkermolloy just look at #isolategab to see how this plays out. If an instance can’t moderate it’s totally reasonable to wall them off to protect vulnerable people here

@MtreeB @parkermolloy think you’re missing the point. Most masto instances create a safe space for LGBTQ community and other communities who suffer constant trauma from articles like that NYT piece, so they just don’t tolerate that kind of behavior. There is a long history here you should check out #isolategab to see how hard it is to preserve the communities we have built. If journa.host is going to create a platform for bullies many instances will make the choice to block them

@schock yes and see the #isolategab past campaign for lessons on what worked…