#KingDavidHotelBombing

killing.more.people.is.worsekmpiw@infosec.exchange
2025-05-03

"I will admit and confess to you, until this morning I had not heard the word "Tchachachim" and I did not know what it meant. In the underground, during the days of the rebellion movement, Galili asked me, after consulting with Natan Yellin-Mor, of blessed memory, on behalf of the Lehi, when we were planning actions together against the British government, and he told me, "Bhai Lisna", Galili told me: How did you solve the problem of the Eastern Jewish community in the Irgun? And I look at him in surprise and say to him: Israel, what are you asking? What problem? And he says: Well, you don't know, haven't you heard? The problem of the Eastern Jewish community. So I say to him: What problem? We don't have one. We are all brothers, we are all Jews, we are all equal, we are all [...] The great commander in the districts was Yemenite; Uzi was a Sephardic; Gidi, who carried out the historic operation of the King David Hotel, was a Sephardic; the one in charge of all the prisoners in Latrun was a Yemenite - and all our guys stood still before him. What problem? We don't have one. We are all Jews. We are all brothers. We are all fighters. But listen, when that, what's his name, Do-Do Topaz, said his foolishness, his words of vanity and ill-will, the whole audience standing here last night cheered. Now I will tell Uncle Topaz who he meant. Our Eastern Jewish community were heroic fighters, even in the underground. Among them are the Gallows immigrants, who until the last moment of their lives sang the song "Hope" and amazed the whole world with their exemplary heroism. And they went to prisons, to concentration camps, they fought and did not break, they shouted to the British judges the words "We do not recognize any hypocrisy in your rule - you must get out of here, from the Land of Israel." Feinstein was of European descent, what do you call it, Ashkenazi; Moshe Barzani was a Sephardic from Iraq. The night after they were sentenced to death, and they had to be taken down from the gallows in the morning, and the rabbi was an old man, he estimated that he would come to take them down, and they did not want to hurt the rabbi, they took a hand grenade to their hearts, pressed. Ashkenazi? Iraqis? Jews! Brothers! Warriors!"

אודה ואתוודה לפניכם, עד הבוקר לא שמעתי את המלה ״צ׳חצ׳חים״ ולא ידעתי מה פירושה. במחתרת, בימי תנועת המרי, שאל אותי גלילי, אחרי התייעצות עם נתן ילין־מור זיכרונו לברכה, מטעם הלח׳׳י, כשתכננו יחד פעולות נגד השלטון הבריטי, ואמר לי בהאי לישנא, גלילי אמר לי: איך אתם פתרתם את הבעיה של עדות המזרח באצ״ל? ואני מסתכל בו בתמיהה ואומר לו: ישראל, מה אתה שואל? איזו בעיה? והוא אומר: נו, אינך יודע, לא שמעת? הבעיה של עדות המזרח. אז אני אומר לו: איזו בעיה? אין לנו. כולנו אחים, כולנו יהודים, כולנו שווים, כולנו [...] המפקד הגדול במחוזות היה תימני; עוזי היה ספרדי; גידי, שעשה את הפעולה ההיסטורית של מלון המלך דויד, היה ספרדי; הממונה על כל האסירים בלטרון היה תימני - וכל הבחורים שלנו עמדו דום לפניו. איזו בעיה? אין לנו. כולנו יהודים. כולנו אחים. כולנו לוחמים. אבל שמעו, כאשר אותו, מה שמו, דו־דו טו־פז, אמר את האיוולת, את דברי ההבל ורעות־הרוח שלו, כל הקהל שעמד אמש פה הריע. עכשיו אני אספר לדודו טופז, למי הוא התכוון. בני עדות המזרח שלנו היו לוחמים גיבורים, גם במחתרת. יש ביניהם עולי גרדום, אשר עד הרגע האחרון לחייהם שרו את שיר ״התקווה״ והפליאו עולם ומלואו בגבורתם המופתית. והם הלכו לבתי־הסוהר, למחנות ריכוז, הם נלחמו ולא נשברו, הם זעקו בפני השופטים הבריטים את המילים ״אנחנו לא מכירים בלל בשלטונכם - עליכם להסתלק מכאן, מארץ־ישראל״. פיינשטיין היה ממוצא אירופאי, איך קוראים לזה, אשכנזי; משה ברזני היה ספרדי מעירק. בלילה לאחר שנידונו למוות, והיו צריכים בבוקר־בבוקר להוריד אותם מן התלייה, והרב היה איש זקן, הוא אמד שיבוא להוריד אותם, ולא רצו לפגוע ברב, הם לקחו ללבותיהם רימון יד, לחצו. אשכנזים? עירקים? יהודים. אחים. לוחמים.

db.begincenter.org.il/article/

giving the robot another try with a different transcript… the last word is sometimes translated as "fighters"

"Our Eastern Jewish community were heroic fighters, even in the underground. Among them are the Gallows immigrants, who until the last moment of their lives sang the song "Hatikvah" and amazed the whole world with their exemplary heroism. And they went to prisons, to concentration camps, they fought and did not break, they shouted before the British judges: The words "We do not recognize your rule at all; you must get out of here, from the Land of Israel." Feinstein was of European descent, what do you call it, Ashkenazi; Moshe Barzani was a Sephardic from Iraq. The night after they were sentenced to death, and they had to be taken down from the gallows in the morning, and the rabbi was an old man, he said he would come and take them down, and they did not want to hurt the rabbi, they took a hand grenade to their hearts, pressed. Ashkenazi? Iraqis? Jews! Brothers! Warriors!"

"בני עדות המזרח שלנו היו לוחמים גיבורים, גם במחתרת. יש ביניהם עולי גרדום, אשר עד הרגע האחרון לחייהם שרו את שיר "התקווה" והפליאו עולם ומלואו בגבורתם המופתית. והם הלכו לבתי הסוהר, למחנות ריכוז, הם נלחמו ולא נשברו, הם זעקו בפני השופטים הבריטים את המילים "אנחנו לא מכירים כלל בשלטונכם; עליכם להסתלק מכאן, מארץ ישראל". פיינשטיין היה ממוצא אירופאי, איך קוראים לזה, אשכנזי; משה ברזני היה ספרדי מעיראק. בלילה לאחר שנידונו למוות, והיו צריכים בבוקר-בבוקר להוריד אותם מן התלייה, והרב היה איש זקן, הוא אמר שיבוא להוריד אותם, ולא רצו לפגוע ברב, הם לקחו לליבותיהם רימון יד, לחצו. אשכנזים? עיראקים? יהודים! אחים! לוחמים!"
hashiloach.org.il/begins-speech

I'm mostly going by the robot, my Hebrew skills only go as far as being able to read the names and Google bits that look dubious. I've read a few commentaries on it in English, and those confirm the strangest bits, but tell me if the robot got anything wrong.

The intro from the #BeginCenter doesn't seem to cover the points that most get talked about … "Menachem Begin's election speech in Tel Aviv. Begin refers to the peace agreements and relations with the US; the attack on the reactor in Iraq; the security policy against the PLO's terror in Lebanon; the government's efforts to reduce gaps and promote the periphery, and within this framework, he details the social laws that the government passed, the Free High School Education Law, the Minimum Income Law, the Pension Linkage Law, the National Long-Term Care Insurance Law for the Elderly. Begin also details the government's efforts to abolish the transit zones and the neighborhood rehabilitation project."

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killing.more.people.is.worsekmpiw@infosec.exchange
2025-05-03

this speech by #MenachemBegin is a bit surreal. db.begincenter.org.il/article/
hashiloach.org.il/begins-speec

He starts with condemnation of "terrorism" and he says it justifies preemptive strikes … then he praises his own time leading a group of what you could politely call a "violent non-state actors", including that time his Irgun blew up the King David Hotel.

But while the Irgun and Lehi were "the terrorists" it sounds like the Hagenah were worse 972mag.com/watch-right-wing-gr
haaretz.com/israel-news/2020-0
Generally i left wing, but I don't have a side, or maybe my side is the not endorsing lynch mobs running around doing that!

The Irgun stopped being, "violent non-state actors" by all joining the IDF in 1948. As far as I can tell, the King David Hotel bombing is still the deadliest bombing by a non-state-actor in Palestine or Israel, thrice as many as anything Hamas ever did, but less than the IDF have done several times.

Begin's speech he ends with an Ashkenazi and an Iraqi Jew blowing themselves up together, this speech was before Arabs started doing that, so that bit probably came across differently in 1981? #Hezbollah started in about 1982 … the timing is weird, but the story of those two pretty much doesn't exist in Arabic, only Hebrew, English, and Kurdish.

Really calling Hamas "non-state actor" is a stretch, Palestine has two governments, both long over due for an election, but Hamas seemed somewhat more willing to have an election than Abbas was.

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