@crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts Interessant ist der Punkt, wo Laconi.ca, also der Quellcode von Identi.ca, zu StatusNet wurde: Haufenweise Leute wollten ihre eigenen Microblogging-Server mit dieser Software fahren, stellten dann aber fest, daß sie damit völlig isoliert waren, weil die Server ja nicht miteinander kommunizierten. Das war der eigentliche Startschuß der Föderation, weil Evan an der Stelle erstmals ein Protokoll schrieb, mit dem solche Server miteinander interagieren konnten.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Identi.ca #Laconi.ca #StatusNet
#StatusNet
The bang (!) version originated from Laconica later renamed to StatusNet and later became GNUsocial. It was the very first and original Fediverse software, way back in 2008. It was always meant for groups.
Mastodon® software is planning on adding groups too, and they probably will use bang (!) as well. Besides, it's the only logical reason.
The sharp/pound/hashtag (#) is for hashtags ever since hashtags were invented. While the atsam (@) is for user accounts that has been around since the 90s (afaik).
What looks like an "email" is called WebFinger. It is actually a webstandard (see: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebFinger ). Aside from email addresses and OpenID, the first social network [software] that used it was Laconica/StatusNet/GNUsocial in 2008 (the birth of the Fediverse).
Since Threadiverse software like Lemmy, Kbin, and Mbin were built for the Fediverse network, they're following the standards and established practices, instead of reinventing the wheel. If they were joining the Matrix network, they no doubt would follow the standards and practices in the Matrix network.
That's the answer to "why".
#Laconica #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Fediverse #Mastodon #WebFinger #Threadiverse #Lemmy #Kbin #Mbin
I miss a lot of folks from the #identica, #statusnet, and #pumpio eras of the #fediverse. I still follow se but they're lost in the sea of other posts or they are in different timezones so I don't catch them. Other folks I've lost entirely and only have pleasant fleeting memories about them.
How do you know when you're in the good times?
Gnihihi, in alten Dateien gewühlt, eigentlich was ganz anderes gesucht...
Das gefunden... 6.September 2014 #statusnet #quitter #gnusocial #fediverse
Liebe Twitterer,
unser Ansturm auf Quitter(https://quitter.se) hat offenbar den Server ( http://old.quitter.se) arg belastet.
Dadurch wird die Seite langsam, was schon viele von euch bemängelt haben. Es lässt sich jedoch ganz einfach vermeiden.
Wie ich an mir selbst festgestellt habe, ist die ganze Sache nicht so ohne Weiteres für jeden verständlich...
Der Server, also old.quitter.se ist einer von vielen im StatusNet. Eine Liste möglicher Server im Statusnet findet ihr hier:
http://www.skilledtests.com/wiki/List_of_Independent_Statusnet_Instances
...
Ihr könnt euch bei jedem x-beliebigen dieser Server einen Account anmelden. Es muss nicht zwingend old.quitter.se sein. Nehmt bitte einen anderen!!
.... Also, seid bitte so nett, und richtet euch eure Accounts nicht alle bei quitter.se ein, nutzt auch die vielen
anderen! Ansonsten vergeht uns auf Quitter bald allen der Spaß
Reproduzco aquí mi despedida del nodo gnusocial.net que va a cerrar con las uvas y que tantas alegrías nos dio a quienes lo poblamos.
Pues, como decían antes en los conciertos, "ya sabéis que la cosa se está acabando o casi acabando..." y que antes de que empecéis a dar la tabarra con los #cachitos de nochevieja 😀 este nodo de !gnusocial habrá cerrado.
Y yo siento que tengo mucho que agradecer.
Primero, claro, a la gente que lo hizo posible técnicamente. La que desarrolló #statusNet y sus antecesores y secuelas. Y que estuvieron manteniendo y ampliando mientras pudieron. Así como a las diferentes personas que han mantenido el nodo en pié a lo largo de no sé si doce o más años.
Pero también, a quienes estuvisteis aquí. Ocupando este lugar y dándonos un sitio acogedor donde resistir mientras el resto del planeta abrazaba el capitalismo de vigilancia.
Y, sobre todo, sobre todo, sobre todo. A nuestro querido @administrator. A quien solo puedo decir gracias, gracias, gracias, por habernos traído hasta aquí. 🤗 🤗 🤗
Y me despido con este vídeo que me parece un buen recuerdo con el que quedarnos.
Como aquí nunca hemos tenido #AltText, os cuento que el vídeo es una animación con figuras tipo comic en el que se ve una isla que está siendo ocupada por grandes edificios y personas con dinero y lupas representando a las GAFAM. Y que poco a poco van saliendo aldeas con unas pocas personas que se comunican entre sí.
Enlace al video
http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/tomatuordenador/tto-locos-redelibreros-c01-720.ogv
¡Larga vida al #fediverso!
Pues, como decían antes en los conciertos, "ya sabéis que la cosa se está acabando o casi acabando..." y que antes de que empecéis a dar la tabarra con los #cachitos de nochevieja 😀 este nodo de !gnusocial habrá cerrado.
Y yo siento que tengo mucho que agradecer.
Primero, claro, a la gente que lo hizo posible técnicamente. La que desarrolló #statusNet y sus antecesores y secuelas. Y que estuvieron manteniendo y ampliando mientras pudieron. Así como a las diferentes personas que han mantenido el nodo en pié a lo largo de no sé si doce o más años.
Pero también, a quienes estuvisteis aquí. Ocupando este lugar y dándonos un sitio acogedor donde resistir mientras el resto del planeta abrazaba el capitalismo de vigilancia.
Y, sobre todo, sobre todo, sobre todo. A nuestro querido @administrator. A quien solo puedo decir gracias, gracias, gracias, por habernos traído hasta aquí. 🤗 🤗 🤗
Y me despido con este vídeo que me parece un buen recuerdo con el que quedarnos.
Como aquí nunca hemos tenido #AltText, os cuento que el vídeo es una animación con figuras tipo comic en el que se ve una isla que está siendo ocupada por grandes edificios y personas con dinero y lupas representando a las GAFAM. Y que poco a poco van saliendo aldeas con unas pocas personas que se comunican entre sí.
Enlace al video
http://www.fotolibre.org/albums/tomatuordenador/tto-locos-redelibreros-c01-720.ogv
¡Larga vida al #fediverso!
@@reiver ⊼ (Charles) :batman: Mastodon did start out as a full-stack Web application AFAIK. It used the OStatus protocol, the same protocol as what GNU social was based on and what StatusNet was using prior to its merger with its own fork, GNU social.
However, at first, it was not positioned as a fully independent project of its own, much less a federated walled garden that allegedly only connected to itself. It was initially conceived and advertised as an alternative to GNU social proper with a different, "easier-to-use", more Twitter-like GUI being its main selling-point.
I guess it's pretty obvious that what was working underneath was not GNU social proper either. Two examples to prove this:
Neither Identi.ca nor StatusNet nor GNU social had a rigid, hard-coded character limit of 500 characters. Mastodon had it from the get-go.
Also, Identi.ca, StatusNet and GNU social had a summary field. It was part of the OpenMicroBlogging and OStatus protocols. Both Friendica and Hubzilla made use of this summary field as such. Mastodon did not have the summary field implemented because summaries were pointless if all you had was 500 characters.
Fast-forward to 2017. Mastodon had meanwhile repositioned itself on the "market" as a stand-alone microblogging platform, implying to be a "decentralised, federated walled garden" with its own exclusive technology that nothing else used, and that nothing else connected to. Something that just about every last Mastodon newbie takes Mastodon for still today.
At some point in 2017, a Mastodon user from the demo scene with some development experience submitted a pull request to Mastodon's GitHub repository which would repurpose this very same summary field as a content warning field. The pull request was accepted and merged. Ever since shortly afterwards, Mastodon users started believing that Mastodon's content warning field was invented by Eugen Rochko from scratch. And they still do.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Identi.ca #StatusNet #OStatus #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #FediverseHistory
However, at first, it was not positioned as a fully independent project of its own, much less a federated walled garden that allegedly only connected to itself. It was initially conceived and advertised as an alternative to GNU social proper with a different, "easier-to-use", more Twitter-like GUI being its main selling-point.
I guess it's pretty obvious that what was working underneath was not GNU social proper either. Two examples to prove this:
Neither Identi.ca nor StatusNet nor GNU social had a rigid, hard-coded character limit of 500 characters. Mastodon had it from the get-go.
Also, Identi.ca, StatusNet and GNU social had a summary field. It was part of the OpenMicroBlogging and OStatus protocols. Both Friendica and Hubzilla made use of this summary field as such. Mastodon did not have the summary field implemented because summaries were pointless if all you had was 500 characters.
Fast-forward to 2017. Mastodon had meanwhile repositioned itself on the "market" as a stand-alone microblogging platform, implying to be a "decentralised, federated walled garden" with its own exclusive technology that nothing else used, and that nothing else connected to. Something that just about every last Mastodon newbie takes Mastodon for still today.
At some point in 2017, a Mastodon user from the demo scene with some development experience submitted a pull request to Mastodon's GitHub repository which would repurpose this very same summary field as a content warning field. The pull request was accepted and merged. Ever since shortly afterwards, Mastodon users started believing that Mastodon's content warning field was invented by Eugen Rochko from scratch. And they still do.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Identi.ca #StatusNet #OStatus #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #FediverseHistory
@@reiver ⊼ (Charles) :batman: 2008. When @Evan Prodromou launched Identi.ca.
After all, Mastodon started out as an alternative frontend for GNU social. GNU social is a fork of StatusNet. StatusNet, in turn, was the software which Identi.ca used to run on until it was merged into GNU social in 2013. (Evan first launched Identi.ca, and then he open-sourced the technology under the name of Laconi.ca, later StatusNet.)
This also means that the OStatus protocol is part of Mastodon's history as well. OStatus is the protocol that GNU social was based on back in the day and probably still is, that later versions of StatusNet were based on, and that Mastodon was originally based on. It's the successor to OpenMicroBlogging, the protocol that Identi.ca was launched on, and that early StatusNet was based on. But it was gone when Mastodon was launched.
It's also fair to mention Friendica, the Facebook alternative launched by @Mike Macgirvin ?️ in 2010, and Hubzilla, the "federated social content management system" which, in 2015, emerged from something that Mike himself had forked off Friendica in 2012.
Both speak a whole lot of protocols. Hubzilla used to speak OStatus, Friendica still does. And so, when the very first Mastodon test release came out in early 2016, and the very first Mastodon instance was started up, it was immediately able to connect to GNU social, Friendica and Hubzilla.
It's an important part of Mastodon's history that Mastodon has never in its history been an isolated walled garden, that Mastodon has never in its history been connected to only itself.
Speaking of Hubzilla, it should be mentioned once again, namely in 2017.
The very first Fediverse project to implement ActivityPub was Hubzilla in July. Mastodon followed in September. These two were the only Fediverse projects that adopted ActivityPub before it was declared a standard. And so, for quite a while, it was only these two that could use ActivityPub to connect to each other (while still also being able to do so via OStatus, by the way). But since both have vastly different philosophies, actual compatibility was and still is limited.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Identi.ca #StatusNet #OStatus #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #ActivityPub #FediverseHistory
After all, Mastodon started out as an alternative frontend for GNU social. GNU social is a fork of StatusNet. StatusNet, in turn, was the software which Identi.ca used to run on until it was merged into GNU social in 2013. (Evan first launched Identi.ca, and then he open-sourced the technology under the name of Laconi.ca, later StatusNet.)
This also means that the OStatus protocol is part of Mastodon's history as well. OStatus is the protocol that GNU social was based on back in the day and probably still is, that later versions of StatusNet were based on, and that Mastodon was originally based on. It's the successor to OpenMicroBlogging, the protocol that Identi.ca was launched on, and that early StatusNet was based on. But it was gone when Mastodon was launched.
It's also fair to mention Friendica, the Facebook alternative launched by @Mike Macgirvin ?️ in 2010, and Hubzilla, the "federated social content management system" which, in 2015, emerged from something that Mike himself had forked off Friendica in 2012.
Both speak a whole lot of protocols. Hubzilla used to speak OStatus, Friendica still does. And so, when the very first Mastodon test release came out in early 2016, and the very first Mastodon instance was started up, it was immediately able to connect to GNU social, Friendica and Hubzilla.
It's an important part of Mastodon's history that Mastodon has never in its history been an isolated walled garden, that Mastodon has never in its history been connected to only itself.
Speaking of Hubzilla, it should be mentioned once again, namely in 2017.
The very first Fediverse project to implement ActivityPub was Hubzilla in July. Mastodon followed in September. These two were the only Fediverse projects that adopted ActivityPub before it was declared a standard. And so, for quite a while, it was only these two that could use ActivityPub to connect to each other (while still also being able to do so via OStatus, by the way). But since both have vastly different philosophies, actual compatibility was and still is limited.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Identi.ca #StatusNet #OStatus #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #ActivityPub #FediverseHistory
@cy
There were no "people who wrote the Fediverse". These was no committee who laid down the standards.
The Fediverse was invented by @Evan Prodromou. In 2008. By first creating a centralised Twitter alternative silo named Identi.ca.
And then open-sourcing the underlying technology as Laconi.ca, later StatusNet (merged into GNU social in 2013).
And then laying the protocol open as OpenMicroBlogging, later superseded by OStatus.
Then, in 2010, @Mike Macgirvin ?️ decided that the world needs a free, open-source, decentralised, secure alternative to Facebook that's better than Facebook. And so he made Mistpark, today Friendica.
But the features he wanted Friendica to have were impossible to achieve with any existing protocol. OStatus wasn't even that good for microblogging, much less Mike's ambitious plans. Besides, he's an experienced protocol designer. So he created a whole new protocol, DFRN, and built Friendica on top of it. Friendica did adopt OStatus as an extra protocol, though, because Friendica's goal was and still is to federate with everything and then some.
In 2011, Mike had seen many public Friendica nodes shut down with or without warning and people always losing everything and having to start over from scratch. So he decided to do something against it.
He invented nomadic identity. And built a new protocol around it, Zot, because there was no way DFRN could take care of this, let alone OStatus.
In 2012, he forked Friendica into Red and rewrote the whole backend against Zot, which, however, required the creation of yet another identity scheme.
For one, one login could now have multiple fully separate and independent identities on it. For example, my Hubzilla channel URL is https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland.
Besides, one identity could now reside on multiple server instances which is what nomadic identity means.
Red was later renamed Red Matrix and, in 2015, refactored, redesigned and renamed into Hubzilla.
Mastodon and Pleroma started in 2016 as OStatus-based alternative UIs for GNU social. Mastodon was the first to be turned into a stand-alone project with not much interest in connecting to anything outside, all in spite of already being federated with Pleroma, GNU social, Friendica and Hubzilla via OStatus.
ActivityPub came out in 2017. No, not 2018. It was standardised in 2018. But it came out in 2017.
In July, 2017, Hubzilla was the first Fediverse project to integrate ActivityPub. Next to its own Zot, next to diaspora*, next to OStatus etc. On the one hand, Hubzilla tried to stay as close to the ActivityPub spec as possible and feasible. On the other hand, Hubzilla had to make its ActivityPub integration, which has always been an optional add-on, compatible to its own technology, to its own Zot protocol, to the way it works.
In September, Mastodon was the second Fediverse project to adopt ActivityPub. But Mastodon was more interested in doing its own thing and being as close to Twitter as it could than in sticking to a protocol spec, much less connecting to non-Mastodon stuff such as Hubzilla with which it already shared two protocols now.
Mastodon was the one that added Webfinger. ActivityPub doesn't even require Webfinger. The ActivityPub spec doesn't contain Webfinger. But Mastodon requires Webfinger. It can't live without Webfinger. So everything that wants to properly federate with Mastodon needs to implement Webfinger.
After ActivityPub had become a standard, more projects adopted it. But as lax a specification as ActivityPub is, it allowed for a lot of liberties.
Some devs looked at how Mastodon had integrated ActivityPub, decided it was rubbish and did it their own way.
Some devs looked at how Mastodon had integrated ActivityPub, decided they couldn't do it the same way because what they did was too different from Mastodon and did it their own way.
Some devs didn't look at what anyone else did and did it their own way.
Probably none of them looked at how Hubzilla had integrated ActivityPub because none of them even knew that Hubzilla existed. Except for those who were maintaining Friendica now. And Friendica had to make it compatible with DFRN and with the way it had been working since 2010.
Fast-forward to 2023. Mike's current piece of work was the streams repository which contains an intentionally nameless fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork) of Hubzilla, slimmed down from Hubzilla, but modernised and technologically even more advanced.
It was then that @silverpill, creator and maintainer of Mitra, got into contact with him because he wanted to add nomadic identity to Mitra. Something that's built on ActivityPub and only supports ActivityPub. A first. No-one had ever done nomadic identity with nothing but ActivityPub before.
So the two started working on how to implement nomadic identity using only ActivityPub. Mike had a vision of a Fediverse with nomadic identity all over and Fediverse identities cloned beyond server application borders. Like, a (streams) channel cloned to Mitra, Mastodon, PeerTube and Mobilizon, all with the same identity.
This, however, required another, brand-new way of identifying Fediverse actors. And so FEP-ef61 "Portable Objects" was created.
We're probably in the middle of xkcd 927 now.
Mike set up an experimental branch of (streams) to develop and test nomadic identity via ActivityPub, also since (streams) already had nomadic identity anyway.
Around summer, the "nomadic" branch (for nomadic identity via ActivityPub) seemed reliable enough to merge it into "dev". And in July, "dev" was merged into "release", complete with nomadic-identity-via-ActivityPub code.
It was shortly after that merge that I created my two (streams) channels. The channel URL of my channel for Fediverse memes is https://streams.elsmussols.net/channel/fedimemes_on_streams. But its DID, which all channels created on accounts registered after that merge got, is https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkf2dhUa65zBYCNVqs3AHyt8uPixauZ7bPzEJn15LJANsd/actor. And that's only two IDs of the same channel. There are also others for (streams)' native Nomad protocol, Hubzilla's Zot6 protocol, ActivityPub, OAuth, OAuth2 and probably also OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on, another one of Mike's creations. Not to mention that (streams) channels, like Hubzilla channels and Friendica accounts, can also optionally be group actors.
In fact, this blew up into (streams) users' faces because (streams) confused the various IDs to such degrees that it wouldn't federate at all anymore. It took Mike a whole lot of work to iron this out again, so much that he officially retired from Fediverse development on August 31st.
And in the middle of this, he even created yet another fork, Forte, which is (streams) minus Nomad, minus Zot6, based on and supporting only ActivityPub. My guess is still that one of the reasons to create Forte at that point was to get rid of the Nomad and Zot6 IDs to sort the ID mess out.
Even if nomadic identity via ActivityPub should ever become stable and start spreading, I don't expect DIDs to become the one norm in the Fediverse. Not with all those barely or unmaintained projects and those devs who refuse to acknowledge that devs of other projects do great stuff, too.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #OStatus #DFRN #Zot #ActivityPub #Nomad #Laconi.ca #Identi.ca #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Mastodon #Pleroma #Streams #(streams) #Forte #FEP_ef61
The people who wrote the Fediverse
There were no "people who wrote the Fediverse". These was no committee who laid down the standards.
The Fediverse was invented by @Evan Prodromou. In 2008. By first creating a centralised Twitter alternative silo named Identi.ca.
And then open-sourcing the underlying technology as Laconi.ca, later StatusNet (merged into GNU social in 2013).
And then laying the protocol open as OpenMicroBlogging, later superseded by OStatus.
Then, in 2010, @Mike Macgirvin ?️ decided that the world needs a free, open-source, decentralised, secure alternative to Facebook that's better than Facebook. And so he made Mistpark, today Friendica.
But the features he wanted Friendica to have were impossible to achieve with any existing protocol. OStatus wasn't even that good for microblogging, much less Mike's ambitious plans. Besides, he's an experienced protocol designer. So he created a whole new protocol, DFRN, and built Friendica on top of it. Friendica did adopt OStatus as an extra protocol, though, because Friendica's goal was and still is to federate with everything and then some.
In 2011, Mike had seen many public Friendica nodes shut down with or without warning and people always losing everything and having to start over from scratch. So he decided to do something against it.
He invented nomadic identity. And built a new protocol around it, Zot, because there was no way DFRN could take care of this, let alone OStatus.
In 2012, he forked Friendica into Red and rewrote the whole backend against Zot, which, however, required the creation of yet another identity scheme.
For one, one login could now have multiple fully separate and independent identities on it. For example, my Hubzilla channel URL is https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland.
Besides, one identity could now reside on multiple server instances which is what nomadic identity means.
Red was later renamed Red Matrix and, in 2015, refactored, redesigned and renamed into Hubzilla.
Mastodon and Pleroma started in 2016 as OStatus-based alternative UIs for GNU social. Mastodon was the first to be turned into a stand-alone project with not much interest in connecting to anything outside, all in spite of already being federated with Pleroma, GNU social, Friendica and Hubzilla via OStatus.
ActivityPub came out in 2017. No, not 2018. It was standardised in 2018. But it came out in 2017.
In July, 2017, Hubzilla was the first Fediverse project to integrate ActivityPub. Next to its own Zot, next to diaspora*, next to OStatus etc. On the one hand, Hubzilla tried to stay as close to the ActivityPub spec as possible and feasible. On the other hand, Hubzilla had to make its ActivityPub integration, which has always been an optional add-on, compatible to its own technology, to its own Zot protocol, to the way it works.
In September, Mastodon was the second Fediverse project to adopt ActivityPub. But Mastodon was more interested in doing its own thing and being as close to Twitter as it could than in sticking to a protocol spec, much less connecting to non-Mastodon stuff such as Hubzilla with which it already shared two protocols now.
Mastodon was the one that added Webfinger. ActivityPub doesn't even require Webfinger. The ActivityPub spec doesn't contain Webfinger. But Mastodon requires Webfinger. It can't live without Webfinger. So everything that wants to properly federate with Mastodon needs to implement Webfinger.
After ActivityPub had become a standard, more projects adopted it. But as lax a specification as ActivityPub is, it allowed for a lot of liberties.
Some devs looked at how Mastodon had integrated ActivityPub, decided it was rubbish and did it their own way.
Some devs looked at how Mastodon had integrated ActivityPub, decided they couldn't do it the same way because what they did was too different from Mastodon and did it their own way.
Some devs didn't look at what anyone else did and did it their own way.
Probably none of them looked at how Hubzilla had integrated ActivityPub because none of them even knew that Hubzilla existed. Except for those who were maintaining Friendica now. And Friendica had to make it compatible with DFRN and with the way it had been working since 2010.
Fast-forward to 2023. Mike's current piece of work was the streams repository which contains an intentionally nameless fork of a fork of three forks of a fork (of a fork) of Hubzilla, slimmed down from Hubzilla, but modernised and technologically even more advanced.
It was then that @silverpill, creator and maintainer of Mitra, got into contact with him because he wanted to add nomadic identity to Mitra. Something that's built on ActivityPub and only supports ActivityPub. A first. No-one had ever done nomadic identity with nothing but ActivityPub before.
So the two started working on how to implement nomadic identity using only ActivityPub. Mike had a vision of a Fediverse with nomadic identity all over and Fediverse identities cloned beyond server application borders. Like, a (streams) channel cloned to Mitra, Mastodon, PeerTube and Mobilizon, all with the same identity.
This, however, required another, brand-new way of identifying Fediverse actors. And so FEP-ef61 "Portable Objects" was created.
We're probably in the middle of xkcd 927 now.
Mike set up an experimental branch of (streams) to develop and test nomadic identity via ActivityPub, also since (streams) already had nomadic identity anyway.
Around summer, the "nomadic" branch (for nomadic identity via ActivityPub) seemed reliable enough to merge it into "dev". And in July, "dev" was merged into "release", complete with nomadic-identity-via-ActivityPub code.
It was shortly after that merge that I created my two (streams) channels. The channel URL of my channel for Fediverse memes is https://streams.elsmussols.net/channel/fedimemes_on_streams. But its DID, which all channels created on accounts registered after that merge got, is https://streams.elsmussols.net/.well-known/apgateway/did:key:z6Mkf2dhUa65zBYCNVqs3AHyt8uPixauZ7bPzEJn15LJANsd/actor. And that's only two IDs of the same channel. There are also others for (streams)' native Nomad protocol, Hubzilla's Zot6 protocol, ActivityPub, OAuth, OAuth2 and probably also OpenWebAuth magic single sign-on, another one of Mike's creations. Not to mention that (streams) channels, like Hubzilla channels and Friendica accounts, can also optionally be group actors.
In fact, this blew up into (streams) users' faces because (streams) confused the various IDs to such degrees that it wouldn't federate at all anymore. It took Mike a whole lot of work to iron this out again, so much that he officially retired from Fediverse development on August 31st.
And in the middle of this, he even created yet another fork, Forte, which is (streams) minus Nomad, minus Zot6, based on and supporting only ActivityPub. My guess is still that one of the reasons to create Forte at that point was to get rid of the Nomad and Zot6 IDs to sort the ID mess out.
Even if nomadic identity via ActivityPub should ever become stable and start spreading, I don't expect DIDs to become the one norm in the Fediverse. Not with all those barely or unmaintained projects and those devs who refuse to acknowledge that devs of other projects do great stuff, too.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #OStatus #DFRN #Zot #ActivityPub #Nomad #Laconi.ca #Identi.ca #StatusNet #GNUsocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Mastodon #Pleroma #Streams #(streams) #Forte #FEP_ef61
Does anyone happen to know whether the old data of #identica users that weren't migrated over when it switched from #StatusNet to #pumpio has been archived anywhere? I see a mention that there was a plan to upload it to @internetarchive, but can't find anything more than that. #fediverse #ostatus
From @tonytins on the history of the Fediverse, Mastodon, and ActivityPub, and how it has similarities to Bluesky's history.
https://github.com/pixelfed/pixelfed/issues/5348#issuecomment-2481224759
#ActivityPub #BlueSky #DeSo #GNUSocial #Mastodon #OStatus #StatusNet
@Dr Pen Twitter support on Friendica and Hubzilla is technically still implemented, but factually ended when Twitter closed their API for third-party clients. That was when Musk was already at the helm.
Facebook support on Friendica must have started in late 2011 when Mike still maintained it, and it already ended in 2012, but that might have been when the community maintained Facebook.
By the way, diaspora* support came to Friendica in mid-2011 after about half a year of work, including a lot of reverse-engineering. Hubzilla, being a Friendica fork, has had it since it was launched.
OStatus support was removed from Hubzilla with version 6. I'd have to look up when it came out. Whether Friendica still supports it, no idea.
The uafilter was introduced to (streams) and Forte in September, 2024.
CC: @Johannes Ernst
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #StatusNet #diaspora* #Tumblr #Twitter #Facebook #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
Facebook support on Friendica must have started in late 2011 when Mike still maintained it, and it already ended in 2012, but that might have been when the community maintained Facebook.
By the way, diaspora* support came to Friendica in mid-2011 after about half a year of work, including a lot of reverse-engineering. Hubzilla, being a Friendica fork, has had it since it was launched.
OStatus support was removed from Hubzilla with version 6. I'd have to look up when it came out. Whether Friendica still supports it, no idea.
The uafilter was introduced to (streams) and Forte in September, 2024.
CC: @Johannes Ernst
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #StatusNet #diaspora* #Tumblr #Twitter #Facebook #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
@Dr Pen The creations of one @Mike Macgirvin ?️ (all of which were or still are in the Fediverse and connected to Mastodon, by the way) made all of this possible in some way.
Friendica was created in 2010 with connecting to everything and then some as a goal. It connects to the entire Fediverse, to diaspora*, to Tumblr, to Bluesky (without the Bridgy Fed bridge), even to e-mail, it can subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds while generating an Atom feed itself, and it used to connect to the OStatus protocol of StatusNet and GNU social, until fairly recently to Twitter and, for a while in the early 2010s, even to Facebook. I'm not kidding, really not. I was there myself.
Granted, the connections to Bluesky, Tumblr, Twitter and Facebook don't/didn't work like those to diaspora*, StatusNet and the ActivityPub-based Fediverse when Friendica still had its own protocol. You still need(ed) an account on the other side, but you integrate(d) that account into your Friendica account, and you post(ed) to your connections on Bluesky and Tumblr and Twitter and Mastodon just like to all your other connections.
However, especially Twitter and Facebook didn't want that. Twitter kept changing their API with no prior announcement, not only to keep third-party clients out, but probably also to keep Friendica and later Hubzilla out, at least for a while.
And Facebook changed its rules for developers (as a Friendica node admin, you needed to be registered as a dev on Facebook to be able to connect the Facebook add-on on your node to Facebook): Sending data to Facebook was still allowed, but extracting data was forbidden from then on. This made the whole Facebook add-on useless.
The only Fediverse server apps that really have something like this implemented are by Mike Macgirvin, too: (streams) from 2021 and Forte from August (he is currently the only user of the latter). They have a per-instance "user agent filter" that can operate either in a blocklist mode which keeps certain user agents out or in an allowlist mode which only lets certain user agents in. This filter is designed to also let through/keep out certain Fediverse server applications, including but not limited to Threads.
CC: @Johannes Ernst @Ben Werdmuller
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #StatusNet #diaspora* #Tumblr #Twitter #Facebook #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
Friendica was created in 2010 with connecting to everything and then some as a goal. It connects to the entire Fediverse, to diaspora*, to Tumblr, to Bluesky (without the Bridgy Fed bridge), even to e-mail, it can subscribe to RSS and Atom feeds while generating an Atom feed itself, and it used to connect to the OStatus protocol of StatusNet and GNU social, until fairly recently to Twitter and, for a while in the early 2010s, even to Facebook. I'm not kidding, really not. I was there myself.
Granted, the connections to Bluesky, Tumblr, Twitter and Facebook don't/didn't work like those to diaspora*, StatusNet and the ActivityPub-based Fediverse when Friendica still had its own protocol. You still need(ed) an account on the other side, but you integrate(d) that account into your Friendica account, and you post(ed) to your connections on Bluesky and Tumblr and Twitter and Mastodon just like to all your other connections.
However, especially Twitter and Facebook didn't want that. Twitter kept changing their API with no prior announcement, not only to keep third-party clients out, but probably also to keep Friendica and later Hubzilla out, at least for a while.
And Facebook changed its rules for developers (as a Friendica node admin, you needed to be registered as a dev on Facebook to be able to connect the Facebook add-on on your node to Facebook): Sending data to Facebook was still allowed, but extracting data was forbidden from then on. This made the whole Facebook add-on useless.
each independent instance can select which other platforms to federate with (similar to now?).
The only Fediverse server apps that really have something like this implemented are by Mike Macgirvin, too: (streams) from 2021 and Forte from August (he is currently the only user of the latter). They have a per-instance "user agent filter" that can operate either in a blocklist mode which keeps certain user agents out or in an allowlist mode which only lets certain user agents in. This filter is designed to also let through/keep out certain Fediverse server applications, including but not limited to Threads.
CC: @Johannes Ernst @Ben Werdmuller
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #StatusNet #diaspora* #Tumblr #Twitter #Facebook #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte
@friedi Ich hab vor über 9 Jahren mit einer eigenen Instanz mit #Statusnet und später #GnuSocial begonnen, vorher als Account auf einer GnuSozial Instanz im "Fediverse" - den Begriff gab es aber damals gar noch nicht.
@Gegenwind @ErikUden vorallem weil ja #StatusNet als vorgängerin von #ActivityPub bereits funktionierende !gruppen hatte [wurden mit ! statt # adressiert und konnten erstellt, abonniert und moderiert werden]
It's kind of wild the thing I knew in 2009 as "Identi.ca" exploded into what it is today. :blobfoxcomfyhappy:
#Laconica #StatusNet #GNUSocial #Identica " #Mastodon "
#Laconica #StatusNet #GNUSocial #Identica " #Mastodon "
Fediversum var länge ett tillhåll för minoriteter och nördar. I begynnelsen fanns OStatus som en standard för federerade kommunikationsnätverk. Det var ett sätt att beskriva hur en räcka öppna protokoll som Atom, Activity Streams, WebSub, Salmon och WebFinger kunde användas för att olika sajter skulle kunna utbyta meddelanden.
https://blog.zaramis.se/2024/08/18/ett-tillhall-for-minoriteter-och-nordar-fediversums-historia/
#StatusNet integrated a lot of things into itself when it was new - URL shorts, maps, feeds...all of that is of no use these days because it's gone or is weaponized.
I still have some StatusNet instances under my control, so I decided to see what could be removed from the main page to harden the interface a bit.
Turns out, quite a lot!
https://wereboar.com/projects/index.php/2023/01/23/statusnet-cleaning-up-the-main-page/
#StatusNet is the granddaddy of the self-hosted twitter-likes. While it's long since passed into legend, there are still a few instances out there run by private parties.
I have a couple under my wings, er, hooves, and some time ago I set about making them a little more useful to me. For example, sending emails on posting and cleaning up some of the non-functional cruft.
If you're interested in a bit of #internet history, check this post out.
In many countries you can now link Threads with le fédi. To an extent you can do the same with Bluesky.
CNet on how to connect Threads
https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/threads-is-diving-deeper-into-the-fediverse-heres-what-to-know/
TechCrunch on the big picture
https://techcrunch.com/2024/06/25/welcome-to-the-fediverse-your-guide-to-mastodon-threads-bluesky-and-more/
#threads #bluesky #fediverse #mastodon #tumblr #socialmedia #statusnet #pleroma #pixelfed #friendica #jackdorsey #meta #instagram #activitypub #ATprotocol
Jag skrev tidigare om att det är nödvändigt att testa en massa saker för att kunna skriva ordentligt om Fediversum. Dessutom. Att skriva om Fediversum innebär att läsa en massa.
https://blog.zaramis.se/2024/07/02/att-skriva-om-fediversum-innebar-att-lasa-en-massa/
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