@Strypey One big issue is certainly that Mastodon, much more than anything else in the Fediverse, is incompatible with group conversations in a whole lot of ways at once.
This starts with Mastodon's timeline which still is a 1:1 clone of Twitter's feed. It only supports one mode: message-by-message piecemeal doomscrolling. It does not support listing entire threads instead of single messages. And while it does have notifications, it doesn't have an unread messages counter like Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte which also allows you to directly jump to a thread with unread messages in it.
Result: Comments on threads drown in the deluge that's a Mastodon timeline, never to be seen, unless they mention you. And on Fediverse server applications with full-blown, native group support from the very beginning, they usually don't mention you.
Add to this the hundreds or thousands of Fediverse actors that typical Mastodon users follow, often also to catch as many messages about certain topics as possible because they don't know that Mastodon can follow hashtags, because Twitter never could. This alone leads to timelines that may consist of 5% interesting stuff and 95% cruft, but they still have to scroll through the cruft because lists are so inconvenient, having more than four lists more so (it's tempting to think that Mastodon was actually designed by a Watership Down rabbit that can't count beyond four).
Most Mastodon users never get to read nearly everything that comes rushing through their timelines. Maybe 20%, maybe 10%, maybe less. They simply don't have the time to scroll all the way down until they see messages that they already know, especially not if they've only got time to check Mastodon once a day or even only once every couple of days.
They won't even scroll far enough down to catch all comments on a thread. Well, and even if they do, there's nothing signalling to them which "toots" are part of the same thread, not even which "toots" are comments on which "toot".
A huge improvement would be if Mastodon a) implemented full support for one-post-many-comments threaded conversations, b) implemented threaded modes for the timeline (sorted by newest post, sorted by newest comment) which would then list entire threads instead of message-by-message piecemeal and c) made it the default for everyone because the vast majority of Mastodon users run their accounts on 100% default settings. Also, at least all the important mobile apps for Mastodon would have to do the same, all the way to making the sorted-by-newest-comment threaded timeline the default for everyone, because next to nobody ever users Mastodon via the Web interface.
Then we can talk about improving interaction with link aggregators or anything else that supports groups, e.g. titles being unavailable and largely unknown on Mastodon, but a hard requirement for new threads on Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin and PieFed, or Mastodon and the Threadiverse having mutually incompatible ways of handling images.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Threadiverse #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups #Conversations #ThreadedConversations
#fedigroups
I gave up on Guppe Groups a long time ago. They only really work with Mastodon. The dev team don't seem interested in fixing the issues to support the fediverse more widely. I did once email and ask if they'd consider supporting Sharkey instances (what I used at the time). The response was basically, if you pay us we can develop it
I've been following some groups on https://about.fedigroups.social which work widely.
When Mastodon introduces groups, it had better also introduce a strikingly big "Groups" button to its Web interface and the official iOS and Android apps. And the major third-party phone apps had better follow suit as soon as possible.
Otherwise the majority of Mastodon users won't even know that the Fediverse has groups (it does right now, and they don't right now), much less that Mastodon has introduced them. And they'll go on shouting into the void like they've always done, hoping that the right people may happen upon their posts.
I mean, Mastodon has also copied Friendica's, Hubzilla's and (streams)' automatic, reader-side content warning generation into its existing filters and rolled that feature out with Mastodon 3.0 in October, 2022.
But next to nobody on Mastodon even knows that this feature exists anywhere in the Fediverse, much less on Mastodon itself. For the huge majority, putting content warnings into the summary field (of which next to nobody on Mastodon knows that it's actually a summary field) and forcing the very same content warnings on everyone in the Fediverse is without an alternative. As is demanding that the very same content warnings that one requires oneself be forced upon everyone else while oneself be spared from all other content warnings.
And, in fact, it also seems like hardly anyone on Mastodon knows that you can follow hashtags on Mastodon, just like you can follow people. There's no big honking button in front of everyone's noses for that either.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta
Otherwise the majority of Mastodon users won't even know that the Fediverse has groups (it does right now, and they don't right now), much less that Mastodon has introduced them. And they'll go on shouting into the void like they've always done, hoping that the right people may happen upon their posts.
I mean, Mastodon has also copied Friendica's, Hubzilla's and (streams)' automatic, reader-side content warning generation into its existing filters and rolled that feature out with Mastodon 3.0 in October, 2022.
But next to nobody on Mastodon even knows that this feature exists anywhere in the Fediverse, much less on Mastodon itself. For the huge majority, putting content warnings into the summary field (of which next to nobody on Mastodon knows that it's actually a summary field) and forcing the very same content warnings on everyone in the Fediverse is without an alternative. As is demanding that the very same content warnings that one requires oneself be forced upon everyone else while oneself be spared from all other content warnings.
And, in fact, it also seems like hardly anyone on Mastodon knows that you can follow hashtags on Mastodon, just like you can follow people. There's no big honking button in front of everyone's noses for that either.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups #CW #CWs #CWMeta #ContentWarning #ContentWarnings #ContentWarningMeta
We are delighted to launch our hand-crafted Directory (https://about.fedigroups.social/directory) of Public groups using #FediGroups. This is not a complete list, and represents those where permission has been given by group owners to publish them. We will continue to add more.
Want your own boosting group? Read all about how to use them (https://about.fedigroups.social/help)
Hubzilla is really intriguing. What I have in mind is having an independent web-being, without dependence on an instance to host your data, but with the ability to connect with others.
A main use case I think of is the ability to join multiple closed separate communities with your own identity, like closed/secret groups in Facebook, which are a feature I really miss in Mastodon.
Have you tried it? What are your thoughts?
There's a new group to help everyone share their #Photography across the fediverse.
Mention @photography @ fedigroups.social (remove the spaces!) in your posts to have them boosted to others.
Remember to follow @photography too
Also works with #Pixelfed -- get boosting 🙂
For all the #wordle and #connections addicts out there (or anyone into #puzzles) ....
make sure you follow @puzzling AND mention the group name in your posts about #puzzling. Then we all get to see your stats, even if we don't follow each other.
Es existieren z.B. #Guppe
https://mastodonium.de/@tagestipp/332
und #fedigroups.social
https://mastodonium.de/@tagestipp/1343
Daneben bietet z.B. #Friendica Gruppen, wenn ich das richtig sehe... #Mastodon ist ja nur eine Software im #Fediverse.
@Melstrom :mstdn: Hope this helps. None of this is Mastodon, but all of this is connected to Mastodon.
Fair warning ahead: Not only is none of this Mastodon, but none of this is based on Mastodon, and none of this is developed for Mastodon. Handling of groups listed on either of these may be a bit less than straight-forward and self-explanatory if Mastodon is all you're used to, also because Mastodon has no built-in support whatsoever for actual Fediverse groups.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #Groups #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Lemmy #Mbin #PieFed #FediTips
- Directory of 200+ Friendica groups/forums:
https://dir.friendica.social/group - Directory of 27,000+ Lemmy communities:
https://lemmyverse.net/communities - Lemmy communities, Mbin magazines and PieFed communities known to the biggest Mbin instance:
https://fedia.io/magazines - Lemmy communities, Mbin magazines and PieFed communities known to the PieFed lighthouse instance:
https://piefed.social/communities - If that still isn't enough, here are lists of various Hubzilla forums and (streams) groups known to two Hubzilla hubs:
https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/directory?f=&pubforums=1
https://hub.hubzilla.de/directory?f=&pubforums=1
Fair warning ahead: Not only is none of this Mastodon, but none of this is based on Mastodon, and none of this is developed for Mastodon. Handling of groups listed on either of these may be a bit less than straight-forward and self-explanatory if Mastodon is all you're used to, also because Mastodon has no built-in support whatsoever for actual Fediverse groups.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #Groups #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Lemmy #Mbin #PieFed #FediTips
It's absolutely true what @daj says. His useful message included @bookstodon@a.gup.pe but it would not have been seen as he's not using a mastodon server and the gup.pe groups generally don't work beyond mastodon.
Using #FediGroups is more inclusive across the entire fediverse family.
Referring to: https://gofer.social/@daj/statuses/01JGCM80X8SHJHJNGSZAXHZGPW
Cc @bookstodon
We need to try and get more #book fans to follow @bookstodon on #fedigroups. The group @bookstodon on gup.pe generally only works with Mastodon. So many people on the wider Fediverse are missing out.
Kurerade flöden i Fediversum. Förutom startpaket så är kurerade flöden nåt som Blueskyanvändare framhäver som nåt bra. Och visst är det användbart när en vill hitta konton att följa.
https://blog.zaramis.se/2024/12/27/kurerade-floden-i-fediversum/
No więc stworzyłem, dzięki #fedigroups, grupę @muzykametalowa .
Działa podobnie jak ta od guppe, ale można ją zaobserwować też z instancji GTS ;)
#muzykaMetalowa
We're growing up -- almost 11 months old 🙂
#FediGroups have been busy today so far. Nice to see it being used well.
Some of our groups are into 3 figures of boosts.
Grow your audience, get a free boosting Group:
Fannish folks of the fediverse!
Do you know any fandom groups on here? Doesn't matter what kind – #GuppeGroups #Friendica #FediGroups etc. – or whether it's multi/pan-fandom or for a specific one. Let me know in the comments! I'm working on a little something-something :bbtea:
@connersjackson
Thank you for the story.
#techTip: At the time of your post the #Mastodon "instance" did not validate the group handle that you used. Therefore the group never received the post.
An instance records a handle when an account first searches for it.
The FediGroups website is available in English, Spanish, and German.
@LCWebsXOXO Haha I feel you! As you can tell from this belated reply, I too keep getting distracted by Life Stuff 😅
I liked that it was moderated, but having spent some time looking into different group types on fedi, it looks like #FediGroups is the only simple option (read: not having to create a whole new account & having to learn to navigate yet another platform) for moderated groups, but they don't allow NSFW content. 😔
🇪🇸 Estamos encantados de lanzar nuestro sitio web en español : https://about.fedigroups.social/es
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