Whenever someone announces to "bring" something "to the Fediverse", chances are that Friendica has actually had it since 2010, for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has been around.
For example, just about everyone on Mastodon is fully convinced that Eugen Rochko has brought quote-posts to the Fediverse this year. That's because next to nobody on Mastodon knows that Friendica has been able to quote-post practically everything in the Fediverse, including Mastodon toots, for 15 years now.
And if Friendica doesn't have it, chances are still that Hubzilla has it, and that Hubzilla has probably had it for longer than Mastodon has been around, too.
For example, private messages that are actually private. Mastodon doesn't have them because the "privacy" of Mastodon DMs is only "guaranteed" by limiting whom a DM is sent to. Hubzilla does have them and has had them since 2012, since it was still named Red. How? Because Hubzilla also limits who is permitted to see a DM.
Oh, and Hubzilla even offers optional encryption on top of that.
Or how about server-independent identity? Everyone still waiting for Bluesky to finally be the pioneer who invents this and implements it for the first time? LOL! Once again, Hubzilla has had this since 2012. Not a vague concept, not an unstable proof-of-concept, but daily-driven by production-grade channels on production-grade servers. (streams) has it, too, inherited from Hubzilla through a whole number of forks. Forte has it, too, and Forte is the first and, so far, only Fediverse server software that uses ActivityPub for nomadic identity.
Now I'm waiting for someone to announce that something will "bring" actual groups "to the Fediverse". A feature that was actually introduced to the Fediverse by StatusNet in 2008, and that's also available on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Not to mention that the very principle of the Threadiverse (Lemmy, the remains of /kbin, Mbin, PieFed) is based on groups.
This is what happens when you think that the feature set of the whole Fediverse is the feature set of Mastodon and maybe Pixelfed because that's all you know.
Speaking of Mastodon: Just because it's being "brought to the Fediverse", doesn't mean it'll be adopted by Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastodonCentrism #MastodonNormativity #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity #StatusNet #Threadiverse #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups
#fedigroups
Whenever someone announces to "bring" something "to the Fediverse", chances are that Friendica has actually had it since 2010, for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has been around.
For example, just about everyone on Mastodon is fully convinced that Eugen Rochko has brought quote-posts to the Fediverse this year. That's because next to nobody on Mastodon knows that Friendica has been able to quote-post practically everything in the Fediverse, including Mastodon toots, for 15 years now.
And if Friendica doesn't have it, chances are still that Hubzilla has it, and that Hubzilla has probably had it for longer than Mastodon has been around, too.
For example, private messages that are actually private. Mastodon doesn't have them because the "privacy" of Mastodon DMs is only "guaranteed" by limiting whom a DM is sent to. Hubzilla does have them and has had them since 2012, since it was still named Red. How? Because Hubzilla also limits who is permitted to see a DM.
Oh, and Hubzilla even offers optional encryption on top of that.
Or how about server-independent identity? Everyone still waiting for Bluesky to finally be the pioneer who invents this and implements it for the first time? LOL! Once again, Hubzilla has had this since 2012. Not a vague concept, not an unstable proof-of-concept, but daily-driven by production-grade channels on production-grade servers. (streams) has it, too, inherited from Hubzilla through a whole number of forks. Forte has it, too, and Forte is the first and, so far, only Fediverse server software that uses ActivityPub for nomadic identity.
Now I'm waiting for someone to announce that something will "bring" actual groups "to the Fediverse". A feature that was actually introduced to the Fediverse by StatusNet in 2008, and that's also available on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Not to mention that the very principle of the Threadiverse (Lemmy, the remains of /kbin, Mbin, PieFed) is based on groups.
This is what happens when you think that the feature set of the whole Fediverse is the feature set of Mastodon and maybe Pixelfed because that's all you know.
Speaking of Mastodon: Just because it's being "brought to the Fediverse", doesn't mean it'll be adopted by Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastodonCentrism #MastodonNormativity #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity #StatusNet #Threadiverse #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups
For example, just about everyone on Mastodon is fully convinced that Eugen Rochko has brought quote-posts to the Fediverse this year. That's because next to nobody on Mastodon knows that Friendica has been able to quote-post practically everything in the Fediverse, including Mastodon toots, for 15 years now.
And if Friendica doesn't have it, chances are still that Hubzilla has it, and that Hubzilla has probably had it for longer than Mastodon has been around, too.
For example, private messages that are actually private. Mastodon doesn't have them because the "privacy" of Mastodon DMs is only "guaranteed" by limiting whom a DM is sent to. Hubzilla does have them and has had them since 2012, since it was still named Red. How? Because Hubzilla also limits who is permitted to see a DM.
Oh, and Hubzilla even offers optional encryption on top of that.
Or how about server-independent identity? Everyone still waiting for Bluesky to finally be the pioneer who invents this and implements it for the first time? LOL! Once again, Hubzilla has had this since 2012. Not a vague concept, not an unstable proof-of-concept, but daily-driven by production-grade channels on production-grade servers. (streams) has it, too, inherited from Hubzilla through a whole number of forks. Forte has it, too, and Forte is the first and, so far, only Fediverse server software that uses ActivityPub for nomadic identity.
Now I'm waiting for someone to announce that something will "bring" actual groups "to the Fediverse". A feature that was actually introduced to the Fediverse by StatusNet in 2008, and that's also available on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Not to mention that the very principle of the Threadiverse (Lemmy, the remains of /kbin, Mbin, PieFed) is based on groups.
This is what happens when you think that the feature set of the whole Fediverse is the feature set of Mastodon and maybe Pixelfed because that's all you know.
Speaking of Mastodon: Just because it's being "brought to the Fediverse", doesn't mean it'll be adopted by Mastodon.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastodonCentrism #MastodonNormativity #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity #StatusNet #Threadiverse #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups
@ibims Schau mal unter #FediGroups
@AnnieBuddy We have #Fedigroups by @hello here: https://fedi.tips/how-to-use-groups-on-the-fediverse/
But it feels different than FB groups, it's more of a boost/find technique connecting different instances. So it's better than subscribing to hashtags which are more difficult to federate.
@captaincourageous Hello and welcome! 😁
I'm disabled by ME/CFS.
There are a few fedigroups related to disability and/or chronic illness (e.g., ME/CFS, Long Covid, POTS) but you can ask for new groups to be created if you like.
@berlincyclingdiary ⚠️ #guppe ist schon seit Wochen tot, die Domain 🚫gup.pe wurde geklaut. 👿
Statt ...@a.gup.pe jetzt z.B. bei #fedigroups schauen, welche da schon angegelgt wurden oder die gewünschte selbst anlegen: https://about.fedigroups.social/
Back the campaign to unlock Federated Groups!
Self-governed groups with their own rules, roles & shared moderation across servers. Interoperable with PieFed, Mbin, Mobilizon, Friendica, etc.
Co-designed with @hci, @hello and communities such as activist collectives and research organisations to reimagine groups when communities own their tools, can set rules, moderate spaces, and connect beyond single servers.
Support the effort: https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/bonfire/community?refcode=eOu_17hIxEy0HwX77wIfSA
bummer. only just found out that Gup.pe groups no longer work & that the service is irredeemably broken, with the domain hijacked by someone pushing sign-up to fastmail.com. (Not a great look Fastmail.)
https://github.com/immers-space/guppe/issues/118
I found @ecologies@a.gup.pe pretty useful. The STS group too.
Has anyone tried out alternatives?
Would @ecologies@fedigroups.social be worthwhile? Or @ecologies@ovo.st?
USENET GROUP
[for your address book]
https://soc.octade.net/usenet/
A #Fediverse group for discussing topics and tools related to #Usenet and #NNTP or #NetworkNews.
#groups #fedigroups #fediverse #retro
Image licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 Generic license (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/deed.en). Image attribution: Benjamin D. Esham / Wikimedia Commons.
[for your address book]
https://soc.octade.net/usenet/
A #Fediverse group for discussing topics and tools related to #Usenet and #NNTP or #NetworkNews.
#groups #fedigroups #fediverse #retro
Image licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 Generic license (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/deed.en). Image attribution: Benjamin D. Esham / Wikimedia Commons.
Hey everyone! This is the #MusicFediGroups and I'm the group owner who approves new members. Weeks ago, I created a space for #music lovers to drop a link to their favorite songs or some music they made, and the best part is I specifically created this group to represent anyone who is open to all music genres, from metal to jazz to pop music.
I want to be transparent and publish a list of rules. Here are the rules:
1. No gatekeeping/elitism of music based on music style, genre, subgenre, era, popularity, etc. This is the most important rule, and a no-tolerance one. Here we let people enjoy things as long as they are not harmful and do not discriminate against others.
2. Hate speech, discrimination of any kind, slurs, inciting violence, and the like are strictly prohibited. This includes music that promotes that kind of rhetoric.
3. Anything with adult NSFW content is strictly prohibited (this is also a main #FediGroups rule by extension). Please do not tag adult NSFW music/content with any #FediGroup.
4. No impersonation of any real people or users here.
5. Please do not use the Music FediGroups to advertise music sold commercially as part of a marketing thing. Promoting your music is fine in moderation, but it would also be ideal to talk about music in your own genuine way as well. Spam is also prohibited.
6. We do not accept AI/NFT music, or music where AI is even partially used during its making/production.
That's it! :boost_ok:
@TheEddieShow I completely suspended #FediGroups.social #FediGroupsSocial due to this and other, "You must follow us to share our posts" nonsense.
Someone asked how long FediGroups been running. So here's some fun stats:
We launched 647 days ago, on 31 January 2024.
That's 1 year, 9 months, 8 days ago.
In June 2024 we started keeping a count of messages processed.
Since then we've pushed out 24,348 messages, and currently have 193 groups.
phew!
Just because it works under your very limited and controlled lab conditions, doesn't mean it will work just as well under real-life conditions.
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
Interestingly, almost at the same time, Hubzilla 10.6 was rolled out. Money quote from the announcement:
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Misskey #GoToSocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Forums #Groups #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #FEP_e232
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
Interestingly, almost at the same time, Hubzilla 10.6 was rolled out. Money quote from the announcement:
- Implement FEP-e232 (object links) for quote posts
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Misskey #GoToSocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Forums #Groups #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #FEP_e232
Just because it works under your very limited and controlled lab conditions, doesn't mean it will work just as well under real-life conditions.
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
Interestingly, almost at the same time, Hubzilla 10.6 was rolled out. Money quote from the announcement:
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Misskey #GoToSocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Forums #Groups #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #FEP_e232
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
Interestingly, almost at the same time, Hubzilla 10.6 was rolled out. Money quote from the announcement:
- Implement FEP-e232 (object links) for quote posts
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Misskey #GoToSocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Forums #Groups #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #FEP_e232
Nach fast einem Monat gibt es neue #FediGroups
- @ContemporaryMusic -> Zeitgenössische Musik
- @composers -> Neues zu Komponist:innen
- @grunge -> Für Fans von #Grunge
- @MultichannelMusic -> 3D-Audio
- @podcasts_DE -> Deutsche #Podcasts
- @fedihouse -> Upcycling Houses
- @vegan -> #Veganismus
We love it so much that every time we check the FediGroups Directory, cool new groups have sprung up!
(We keep hoping that someone will create an education-themed group. Fingers crossed!)
If you haven't checked it out in a while, go take a look.
ok so there's now some sort of glitch where if you quote more than one #fedigroups account, only one will actually boost your post, while the other ignores it for some reason. anyone else experiencing the same when quoting more than one fedigroups account?
Jetzt ist die Gruppe @laufen auch aktiv. Ich dachte, sie wäre sofort aktiv. Hat aber einige Tage gedauert 🙂
#fediGroups #fediverse #mastodon #laufen #sport #mastodonlauftreff
hello ♡ bună ♡ привет ♡ привіт ♡ γεια ♡ zdravo
English 🇺🇸🇨🇦🇬🇧🇦🇺🇳🇿:
re #introduction for 24 October! I'm not new here but I'd like to make an opportunity to update some info about me.
Hello everyone, it's TKb0iZ, I like speaking a lot of languages, I'm aro/ace/agender, and that's all you need to know about me in terms of who I am. Here are my interests:
#Music of all kinds ( I run @music with moderated approval, don't quote #fedigroups in the comments if you have not followed the group and I have not approved you yet )
#Collage #Art
#Privacy
#Watching #Animated #Movies
Selected #IndieGames (even though I don't care for the majority of games)
Follow me for music and art fun! And follow @tkb0iz@makertube.net too :)
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Română 🇷🇴🇲🇩:
re #introducere pentru 24 octombrie! Nu sunt nou aici, dar aș dori să fac o oportunitate de a actualiza câteva informații despre mine.
Salutare tuturor, sunt TKb0iZ. Îmi place să vorbesc multe limbi, sunt aro/ace/agender și asta este tot ce trebuie să știi despre mine în ceea ce privește cine sunt. Iată interesele mele:
#Muzică de toate stilurile
#Artă ( #colaj )
#Confidențialitate
#Filme #Animate
#Jocuri #Indie selectate (chiar dacă nu-mi pasă de majoritatea jocurilor)
Follow/Urmați-mă pentru distracție cu artă și muzică!
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Profile: https://tkb0iz.carrd.co/
Latest Music: https://sunny.garden/@TKb0iZ/115430487541314577
:boost_requested: and ⭐ for greater reach and federation!
@Sylkeweb Testing The Fediverse There are several, but unlike Guppe, they all require a local account. They can be connected/followed from Mastodon, but you cannot simply create a group there on the fly with nothing but your existing Mastodon account. Also, no matter what you choose, it will handle nothing like Mastodon or a *key.
One more thing that's critically important to know is that posting (as in starting a new thread) on either of these from Mastodon or a *key is not quite straight-forward.
That's because a title is recommended on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams), and on Lemmy, Mbin and PieFed, a title is pretty much mandatory. But neither Mastodon nor the *keys have any active support for titles. (The CW field corresponds to the summary; the title is something entirely different.)
So if you want to start a new thread from Mastodon or a *key, you have to adhere to a special post format:
Lastly: Don't use hashtags when posting or commenting to Lemmy, Mbin and PieFed. Reddit doesn't have hashtags either, and what Reddit doesn't have has no place on either of these three.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Streams #(streams) #Hubzilla #PieFed #Mbin #Lemmy #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups
- Friendica
Alternative to/works like: Facebook, long-form blogging platforms
Official website: https://friendi.ca
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica
Join the Fediverse Wiki: https://joinfediverse.wiki/Friendica
List of existing groups: https://dir.friendica.social/group
Official server list: https://dir.friendica.social/servers
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/friendica
Fediverse Observer: https://friendica.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/friendica - (streams)
Alternative to/works like: Facebook, long-form blogging platforms, various cloud services
Officially nameless and brandless; colloquially "named" after its code repository
No official website
Code repository (instead of website): https://codeberg.org/streams/streams
Join the Fediverse Wiki: https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)
No official server list
No FediDB, Fediverse Observer and FediIndex entries
Public server in North America (USA): https://rumbly.net/register
Public server in Europe (Hungary; German admin also speaking English): https://nomad.fedi-verse.hu/register
[list] - Hubzilla
Alternative to/works like: Facebook, long-form blogging platforms, various cloud services, GeoCities etc.
Official website: https://hubzilla.org
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubzilla
Join the Fediverse Wiki: https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla
Notice: Software versions with an odd number after the first dot (e.g. 10.5.x) are experimental. Software versions with an even number after the first dot (e.g. 10.4.x) are stable.
Official server list: https://hubzilla.org/pubsites
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/hubzilla
Fediverse Observer: https://hubzilla.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/hubzilla - PieFed
Alternative to/works like: Reddit, Hacker News
Official website: https://join.piefed.social/
Official server list: https://join.piefed.social/try/
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/piefed
Fediverse Observer: https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/piefed - Mbin
Alternative to/works like: Reddit, Hacker News
Official website: https://joinmbin.org/
Official server list: https://joinmbin.org/servers
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/mbin
Fediverse Observer: https://mbin.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/mbin - Lemmy
Alternative to/works like: Reddit, Hacker News
Official website: https://joinmbin.org/
Official server list: https://join-lemmy.org/instances
Unofficial server list: https://lemmyverse.net/
Unofficial list of existing communities: https://lemmyverse.net/communities
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/mbin
Fediverse Observer: https://mbin.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/mbin
One more thing that's critically important to know is that posting (as in starting a new thread) on either of these from Mastodon or a *key is not quite straight-forward.
That's because a title is recommended on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams), and on Lemmy, Mbin and PieFed, a title is pretty much mandatory. But neither Mastodon nor the *keys have any active support for titles. (The CW field corresponds to the summary; the title is something entirely different.)
So if you want to start a new thread from Mastodon or a *key, you have to adhere to a special post format:
- First line: the title.
- Second line: mentions the group with @.
- Then: the actual post text.
Lastly: Don't use hashtags when posting or commenting to Lemmy, Mbin and PieFed. Reddit doesn't have hashtags either, and what Reddit doesn't have has no place on either of these three.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Streams #(streams) #Hubzilla #PieFed #Mbin #Lemmy #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups
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Server: https://mastodon.social
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