@dannotdaniel the #MFM on #Calckey was so fun when I had it.
#CalcKey
@demokratischesperlach@muenchen.social Hallo und willkommen "mit Mastodon" im #Fediverse 👋
Grüße mit #Calckey 👋
That #MFM feature when writing the posts is just amazing! One doesn't post, publish, or toot, you post #Notes 🗒️
You could explore those if you wish by joining the #calckey.world instance for example.
As a background, it appears that Calckey got renamed Firefish, then Firefish turned into Sharkey.
I joined originally Calckey.social. Back then Calckey got rebranded to Firefish. Now it is Sharkey?
@Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 The Mastodon devs are talking as if either the Fediverse is only Mastodon, or the Fediverse as a whole doesn't have quote-posts.
Neither of this is true. The Fediverse has had quote-posts since July 2nd, 2010 when Mistpark (now known as Friendica) was launched. Mastodon toots have been quote-post-able since Mastodon itself was launched, for when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with at least two Fediverse server applications that have quote-posts, namely Friendica and Hubzilla, a fork of a fork of Friendica by Friendica's own creator.
Nowadays, at least Pleroma, Akkoma, all other Pleroma forks, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp-JS, Iceshrimp.NET, CherryPick, Sharkey, all other Misskey forks, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can quote-post Mastodon toots with no problem.
And Mastodon won't be able to stop them. No, seriously, it won't. Not with a non-standard, proprietary, home-brew opt-in or opt-out switch that doesn't tie into anything that the other Fediverse server apps have. And whatever switch Mastodon is working on will not tie into anything that already exists.
Let me put it this way: Hubzilla has the second-most advanced and fine-grained permissions system in the Fediverse. It goes well beyond most people's imagination. It works on three levels: for the whole channel (that's similar to a Mastodon account), for individual contacts (that's "followers" in Mastodon lingo, but Hubzilla doesn't distinguish between followers and followed), for individual content. (streams) and Forte are the only ones with an even more advanced and fine-grained permissions system.
But even they don't have a quote-post permission setting. And they have permission settings for just about everything. You want reply control in the Fediverse? Hubzilla has reply control, and (streams) and Forte have reply control on steroids. But what they don't have is a quote-posting permission because that's next to impossible to control across the Fediverse even with the most advanced permissions system.
As @Mike Macgirvin ?️ (professional software developer for almost half a century, designer of two Fediverse protocols, creator of Friendica and Hubzilla, inventor of nomadic identity, creator and maintainer of (streams) and Forte) says: The only way to make your posts un-quote-post-able is by not posting in public and not allowing everyone in the Fediverse full access to your posts. Set your "Who can quote" however you want, I'll always be able to quote-post all your public posts with no problem and with no resistance.
So what chance does Mastodon have then? Mastodon which doesn't even know what permissions are? Developed by Eugen Rochko who actually has a history of head-butting with Mike Macgirvin, and who would never take any step towards anything that Mike has ever developed?
I'm commenting from Hubzilla right now, and I'm also on (streams). And I can tell you: If you make any of your posts "un-quote-post-able", this still won't make my Share buttons on Hubzilla and (streams) disappear.
CC: @Stefan Bohacek @FinchHaven sfba
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp.NET #CherryPick #Sharkey #Mitra #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
Neither of this is true. The Fediverse has had quote-posts since July 2nd, 2010 when Mistpark (now known as Friendica) was launched. Mastodon toots have been quote-post-able since Mastodon itself was launched, for when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with at least two Fediverse server applications that have quote-posts, namely Friendica and Hubzilla, a fork of a fork of Friendica by Friendica's own creator.
Nowadays, at least Pleroma, Akkoma, all other Pleroma forks, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp-JS, Iceshrimp.NET, CherryPick, Sharkey, all other Misskey forks, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can quote-post Mastodon toots with no problem.
And Mastodon won't be able to stop them. No, seriously, it won't. Not with a non-standard, proprietary, home-brew opt-in or opt-out switch that doesn't tie into anything that the other Fediverse server apps have. And whatever switch Mastodon is working on will not tie into anything that already exists.
Let me put it this way: Hubzilla has the second-most advanced and fine-grained permissions system in the Fediverse. It goes well beyond most people's imagination. It works on three levels: for the whole channel (that's similar to a Mastodon account), for individual contacts (that's "followers" in Mastodon lingo, but Hubzilla doesn't distinguish between followers and followed), for individual content. (streams) and Forte are the only ones with an even more advanced and fine-grained permissions system.
But even they don't have a quote-post permission setting. And they have permission settings for just about everything. You want reply control in the Fediverse? Hubzilla has reply control, and (streams) and Forte have reply control on steroids. But what they don't have is a quote-posting permission because that's next to impossible to control across the Fediverse even with the most advanced permissions system.
As @Mike Macgirvin ?️ (professional software developer for almost half a century, designer of two Fediverse protocols, creator of Friendica and Hubzilla, inventor of nomadic identity, creator and maintainer of (streams) and Forte) says: The only way to make your posts un-quote-post-able is by not posting in public and not allowing everyone in the Fediverse full access to your posts. Set your "Who can quote" however you want, I'll always be able to quote-post all your public posts with no problem and with no resistance.
So what chance does Mastodon have then? Mastodon which doesn't even know what permissions are? Developed by Eugen Rochko who actually has a history of head-butting with Mike Macgirvin, and who would never take any step towards anything that Mike has ever developed?
I'm commenting from Hubzilla right now, and I'm also on (streams). And I can tell you: If you make any of your posts "un-quote-post-able", this still won't make my Share buttons on Hubzilla and (streams) disappear.
CC: @Stefan Bohacek @FinchHaven sfba
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp.NET #CherryPick #Sharkey #Mitra #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
@FinchHaven sfba
A common misconception on Mastodon is that the Fediverse doesn't have quote-posts. Anywhere.
As a matter of fact, however:
To give you an example: Friendica was launched 15 years ago, more than five years before Mastodon. It already had quote-posts back then. When Mastodon was launched, it was Mastodon that connected itself to Friendica and not the other way around. And ever since that very moment, Friendica was able to quote-post Mastodon toots.
If Mastodon adds its own, proprietary, home-brew, non-standard quote-post opt-in or opt-out, [b]all of the above will still be able to quote-post any public Mastodon toots with zero resistance[b]. In fact, they won't even know whether a Mastodon user has opted out of or not opted into being quote-post-able.
To make matters worse, the Fediverse has at least two different quote-post technologies.
Misskey and the various Forkeys put
Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte generate a dumb copy of the original message from an eight-digit reference number. It comes with a "headline" containing the name of the original poster, profile picture included, and a link to the original message. Since it's a dumb copy, the quote-post will not change when the original is edited. The quote-posted user is notified similarly to being mentioned when being quote-posted.
Immediate, effective counter-measures are completely impossible against both.
CC: @Stefan Bohacek
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp.NET #CherryPick #Sharkey #Mitra #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
I've seen no mention (perhaps I missed it) of who exactly gets to --> create <-- these "remote quote posts"
"remote" implies no one on my local instance
A common misconception on Mastodon is that the Fediverse doesn't have quote-posts. Anywhere.
As a matter of fact, however:
- Pleroma users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Akkoma users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Misskey users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Calckey users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Firefish users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Iceshrimp-JS users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Iceshrimp.NET users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- CherryPick users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Sharkey users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Users on any other Forkey can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Mitra users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Friendica users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Hubzilla users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- (streams) users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Forte users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
- Many other non-Mastodon Fediverse users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
To give you an example: Friendica was launched 15 years ago, more than five years before Mastodon. It already had quote-posts back then. When Mastodon was launched, it was Mastodon that connected itself to Friendica and not the other way around. And ever since that very moment, Friendica was able to quote-post Mastodon toots.
If Mastodon adds its own, proprietary, home-brew, non-standard quote-post opt-in or opt-out, [b]all of the above will still be able to quote-post any public Mastodon toots with zero resistance[b]. In fact, they won't even know whether a Mastodon user has opted out of or not opted into being quote-post-able.
To make matters worse, the Fediverse has at least two different quote-post technologies.
Misskey and the various Forkeys put
RE: <URL of the quote-posted message> into a message, and it's automatically rendered as a quote-post. It references the original, and when the original is edited, so is the quote-post. I don't know whether or not the quote-posted user is notified.Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte generate a dumb copy of the original message from an eight-digit reference number. It comes with a "headline" containing the name of the original poster, profile picture included, and a link to the original message. Since it's a dumb copy, the quote-post will not change when the original is edited. The quote-posted user is notified similarly to being mentioned when being quote-posted.
Immediate, effective counter-measures are completely impossible against both.
CC: @Stefan Bohacek
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Pleroma #Akkoma #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Calckey #Firefish #Iceshrimp #Iceshrimp.NET #CherryPick #Sharkey #Mitra #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
@Armadillosoft@mastodon.social @neiman@social.hastily.cc
You can use #Sharkey #IceShriimp #Friendica #Hubzilla #Calckey #Akkoma (if the character limit fits) for something like this and still have all the features of the fediverse.
These services can also do much more than Mastodon.
Look at https://jointhefediverse.net/?lang=en-us
or https://youtu.be/fQ4Xm92vcq8 for Sharkey. the gaming focus at the end is a little too much but you can recognise the basic functions and more.
For example, I use the Fediverse service #Calckey in the Fediverse, have 7,500 characters and a bag full of tools at hand that I don't have to rely on such bridges.
You should choose the software that suits your needs and not adapt your needs to the software. Old rule in fediverse ;)
Unfortunately, we always get a lot of flak for this, because MASTODON 😥
@ml@social.mitexleo.one Yes, I have seen that your account is on an Akkoma instance.
Greetings with #Calckey and have fun with Akkoma
Liebe @lfdi_pressestelle@xn--baw-joa.social
können wir uns auf #Fediverse einigen?
Ich bin je kein Rechtschreibfeteschist, aber es heißt "mit" Mastodon, nicht auf. 😆
Schön das ihr die Software Mastodon entdeckt habt, das sind aber nur 50% aller Fediverse Instanzen 😉
Ich zum Beispiel lese euch mit #Calckey 👋
Euch beiden Accounts,
@InnoLab_bw@xn--baw-joa.social @lfdi@xn--baw-joa.social
Hallo und willkommen im Fediverse 👋
@funkvolk@mastodon.social bis auf das "nur nerds" und ein paar andere Sachen, ein schöner post (nur scheiß Threadkette, und hier kommt der Klugschiss: nutzt dafür bitte passende Software im Fediverse. Es gibt auch Dienste die mehr Zeichen können und dann hören diese scheiß threadketten endlich auf) 😉
Das medineschaffende nur Nerds sehen, muss eine Berufskrankheit sein denn so lange ich hier bin, ja es gib Nerds aber nicht so viele, wie dem Fediverse immer zugeschrieben werden 😉
Auch der vergleich Vollkorn vs. Kuchen, passte nie so richtig. Denn der kommt eben auch aus der Sichtweise eines Medienschaffende. Wir haben hier immer Blumenwiesen gesehen, während Medienschaffende hier immer von Ödnis gesprochen haben.
Wohl eben auch, weil sie sich nie mit dem fediverse befast haben und hier versucht haben, 1:1 das fortzusetzen, was sie auf twitter gemacht haben. Damit musste man einfach scheitern, aber nicht am Fediverse, sondern mehr an sich selber, an eine Neue Umgebung anzupassen.
Das was du dir mühsam angelernt hast, haben wir immer freimütig an Tipps weitergegeben, um dann von Medienschaffende öffentlich als Klugscheißer und Besserwisser betitelt zu werden.
Falls gewünscht, können wir uns gern mal verbal dazu austauschen, wie unterschiedlich unsere Erfahrungen und Sichtweisen sind.
Grüße mit dem Fediverse Dienst #Calckey/#Sharkey
@Patryk_Tomkowski_@techhub.social welcome to the #Fediverse, not only Mastodon 😉
greetings with #Calckey 👋
@anarchocricket@leipzig.town Hallo und willkommen im #Fediverse
Bitte dran denken, das hier ist nicht alles Mastodon, Grüße aus Anhalt mit #Calckey
@sofie@wehavecookies.social Mastodon ist nureine von 150 verschiedenen Softwares für das Fediverse.
In dem du nur die begrüßt, die Mastodon benutzen, negierst du alle anderen.
Ist wie bei Omma zum Geburtstag, wenn du nur die Leute begrüßt, die was blaues anhaben und an allen anderen vorbeigehst und sie gar nicht beachtest 😉
Ich bin z.B. mit der Software #Calckey im Netzwerk unterwegs
Ist auch wichtig, wenn du mal Fragen hast, helfen kann das ganze Fediverse, deswegen lieber alle ansprechen, als nur eine Teilgruppe
@thijs_lucas@norden.social es ist nur Mastodon, das euch so limitiert, nicht die anderen Dienste im Fediverse
Grüße von #Calckey aus gesendet
@dentaku@fnordon.de
Grüße an alle mit #Calckey @ebinger@bildung.social 👋
#FediverseVernetzungstreffenStuttgart
Fediverse Icons
https://github.com/reiver/fediverse-icons
Free, and in SVG format.
#DeSo #Fediverse #FediverseIcons #Calckey #Castopod #Forgejo #Friendica #FunkWhale #Gitea #GreatApe #Hubzilla #Lemmy #Mastodon #Misskey #Pixelfed #Pleroma #WordPress #WriteFreely
@richiekhoo@hachyderm.io You have to think a bit bigger than that.
Mastodon is not the Fediverse, but just one of over 10 software solutions for text only and short to long texts and over 140 other services that make up the network.
I have linked a few videos for you
Greetings with the software access #Calckey into the #Fediverse
https://youtu.be/QzYozbNneVc
https://youtu.be/z_Aneyj9kBI
https://tube.tchncs.de/w/p/u8wvHALPHBsR4h8t2sZCJN?playlistPosition=6&resume=true
https://tube.tchncs.de/w/p/u8wvHALPHBsR4h8t2sZCJN?playlistPosition=3&resume=true
@walterlechner@dresden.network Hallo und willkommen im #Fediverse
egal welche Software du als Zugang in dieses Netzwerk benutzt. Du Mastodon, ich #Calckey, es ist alles zusammen ein Netzwerk
Hallo @GesineSchulz@troet.cafe
mir ist keine Instanz im Fediverse bekannt, die sich speziell auf dieses Thema fokussiert. Auch über die Zugangssoftware hinweg.
Falls sie überlegt, hier einen Schritt ins Fediverse zu machen, sollte sie vorher auch überlegen, was sie von der Software erwartet.
Das Fediverse ist nicht Mastodon und Mastodon ist nicht alles im Fediverse. Je nach dem was sie vorher benutzt hat als Social Media, sind andere Zugänge statt Mastodon vielleicht besser geeignet, um hier aktiv zu sein.
Hier mal ein kleiner Leitfaden, der bei der richtigen Auswahl der Software hilft: https://www.viennawriter.net/blog/social-media-grundsaetze-einstieg-ins-fediverse/
Letztlich ist die Instanz egal, weil man sich eh mit allen verbinden und folgen kann. Hashtags verbinden viel besser 😉
Bei Fragen einfach noch mal melden, ich versuche das dann aufzuklären.
Liebe Grüße, mit #Calckey geschrieben
@Nike_Leonhard@literatur.social eigentlich machst du da schon, als Mastodon Benutzer siehst du es nur (mit Absicht) nicht,
Ich z.B. schreibe dir mit #Calckey, einem anderen textdienst im Fediverse und sicher hat dir auch schon jemand mit einem weiteren geschrieben.
Du kannst gern mal in meine Videos reinschauen, wie das Fediverse für unsere Instanz aussieht.
https://tube.tchncs.de/c/fedivese/videos
Die "Fediverse instance connection" meine ich, also was für Software auf den anderen Instanzen läuft, die mit unserer Verbunden ist
@gnulinux@social.anoxinon.de
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