Hier sind zehn der bekanntesten Projekte im Fediverse, inklusive der Hauptentwickler:

ProjektnameHauptentwickler / TeamLand#MastodonMastodon gGmbHDeutschland#FriendicaMichael VogelDeutschland#HubzillaMario VavtiÖsterreich#PeerTubeFramasoft (Chocobozzz)Frankreich#PixelfedDansupKanada#LemmyDessalinesKanada#WriteFreelyMatt BaerUSA#FunkwhaleCommunity-ProjektFrankreich#BookWyrmmouse_reeveUSA#PleromaPleroma-TeamEuropa / Int.

[Edit] Einige Projekte haben weiterhin Probleme Markdown Tabellen darzustellen, daher hier die Tabelle zusätzlich als Bild:

#^Große Ereignisse werfen ihre Schatten voraus

Kürzlich habe ich ja geschrieben, dass ich die Dampfdruck-Presse, die jetzt locker seit zehn Jahren (mit einer kurzen Unterbrechung durch Drupal für ein paar Monate) mit WordPress läuft, von WordPress wegmigrieren möchte...

..:: WEITERLESEN ::..

#dampfdruck-presse #ddp #e-zigarette #e-dampfgerät #liquidzerstäuber #vape #pfrunzel #hubzilla

#Hubzilla #Statistics 2025-12-21
Number of Instances: 184
Number of Users: 9 610
Number of Statuses: 708 511

#Fediverse

@🌴 Seph 💭 👾 Fun fact: Hubzilla (which my post and this comment come from) has a feed reader, too. But Hubzilla is the most powerful and feature-rich Fediverse server software out there. So if Friendica is overkill for you already...

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #FeedReader

@🌴 Seph 💭 👾 Fun fact: Hubzilla (which my post and this comment come from) has a feed reader, too. But Hubzilla is the most powerful and feature-rich Fediverse server software out there. So if Friendica is overkill for you already...

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Friendica #Hubzilla #FeedReader

Whenever someone announces to "bring" something "to the Fediverse", chances are that Friendica has actually had it since 2010, for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has been around.

For example, just about everyone on Mastodon is fully convinced that Eugen Rochko has brought quote-posts to the Fediverse this year. That's because next to nobody on Mastodon knows that Friendica has been able to quote-post practically everything in the Fediverse, including Mastodon toots, for 15 years now.

And if Friendica doesn't have it, chances are still that Hubzilla has it, and that Hubzilla has probably had it for longer than Mastodon has been around, too.

For example, private messages that are actually private. Mastodon doesn't have them because the "privacy" of Mastodon DMs is only "guaranteed" by limiting whom a DM is sent to. Hubzilla does have them and has had them since 2012, since it was still named Red. How? Because Hubzilla also limits who is permitted to see a DM.

Oh, and Hubzilla even offers optional encryption on top of that.

Or how about server-independent identity? Everyone still waiting for Bluesky to finally be the pioneer who invents this and implements it for the first time? LOL! Once again, Hubzilla has had this since 2012. Not a vague concept, not an unstable proof-of-concept, but daily-driven by production-grade channels on production-grade servers. (streams) has it, too, inherited from Hubzilla through a whole number of forks. Forte has it, too, and Forte is the first and, so far, only Fediverse server software that uses ActivityPub for nomadic identity.

Now I'm waiting for someone to announce that something will "bring" actual groups "to the Fediverse". A feature that was actually introduced to the Fediverse by StatusNet in 2008, and that's also available on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Not to mention that the very principle of the Threadiverse (Lemmy, the remains of /kbin, Mbin, PieFed) is based on groups.

This is what happens when you think that the feature set of the whole Fediverse is the feature set of Mastodon and maybe Pixelfed because that's all you know.

Speaking of Mastodon: Just because it's being "brought to the Fediverse", doesn't mean it'll be adopted by Mastodon.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastodonCentrism #MastodonNormativity #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity #StatusNet #Threadiverse #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups

Whenever someone announces to "bring" something "to the Fediverse", chances are that Friendica has actually had it since 2010, for five and a half years longer than Mastodon has been around.

For example, just about everyone on Mastodon is fully convinced that Eugen Rochko has brought quote-posts to the Fediverse this year. That's because next to nobody on Mastodon knows that Friendica has been able to quote-post practically everything in the Fediverse, including Mastodon toots, for 15 years now.

And if Friendica doesn't have it, chances are still that Hubzilla has it, and that Hubzilla has probably had it for longer than Mastodon has been around, too.

For example, private messages that are actually private. Mastodon doesn't have them because the "privacy" of Mastodon DMs is only "guaranteed" by limiting whom a DM is sent to. Hubzilla does have them and has had them since 2012, since it was still named Red. How? Because Hubzilla also limits who is permitted to see a DM.

Oh, and Hubzilla even offers optional encryption on top of that.

Or how about server-independent identity? Everyone still waiting for Bluesky to finally be the pioneer who invents this and implements it for the first time? LOL! Once again, Hubzilla has had this since 2012. Not a vague concept, not an unstable proof-of-concept, but daily-driven by production-grade channels on production-grade servers. (streams) has it, too, inherited from Hubzilla through a whole number of forks. Forte has it, too, and Forte is the first and, so far, only Fediverse server software that uses ActivityPub for nomadic identity.

Now I'm waiting for someone to announce that something will "bring" actual groups "to the Fediverse". A feature that was actually introduced to the Fediverse by StatusNet in 2008, and that's also available on Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte. Not to mention that the very principle of the Threadiverse (Lemmy, the remains of /kbin, Mbin, PieFed) is based on groups.

This is what happens when you think that the feature set of the whole Fediverse is the feature set of Mastodon and maybe Pixelfed because that's all you know.

Speaking of Mastodon: Just because it's being "brought to the Fediverse", doesn't mean it'll be adopted by Mastodon.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #MastodonCentrism #MastodonNormativity #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity #StatusNet #Threadiverse #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups

#Hubzilla #Statistics 2025-12-20
Number of Instances: 185
Number of Users: 9 619
Number of Statuses: 707 951

#Fediverse

@Strypey But this will take a lot of time. A whole lot of time.

The situation right now is still that Mastodon has considerably more users than the whole rest of the Fediverse combined. Within Mastodon itself, well over 90% of all messages are from Mastodon.

The majority of Mastodon users think the Fediverse equals Mastodon. The majority of the rest think the Fediverse equals Mastodon with PeerTube and Pixelfed and the like glued onto it as add-ons. The majority of those remaining cannot imagine for the lives of them that you can follow Friendica accounts from Mastodon because you can't follow Facebook accounts from 𝕏 either.

Apart from Reddit-to-Lemmy refugees, every single last Fediverse newbie enters the Fediverse via Mastodon without being told that the Fediverse is more than just Mastodon. In fact, many don't even learn about the Fediverse itself, only that there's a phone app named Mastodon that's allegedly "literally 𝕏 without Musk".

Remember the early days of smartphones? When 99% of all commercial apps were only developed for iOS because developing for Android wasn't worth it, because Android was "too small"?

You know when this changed? This didn't change when Android had gained a significant market share. This din't even change when Android had a market share of over 50%. This only changed when the Samsung Galaxy S, one specific Android phone model, had been outselling the iPhone for long enough for market analysts to notice.

In Fediverse terms, this means it isn't sufficient for the non-Mastodon Fediverse as a whole to outgrow Mastodon in numbers of users or in content. Even if most content seen on Mastodon doesn't originate on Mastodon anymore, that wouldn't be sufficient to break Mastodon's dominance.

It's sad to say, but we need one Fediverse server application to outgrow Mastodon in users and activity. Ideally, that'd be a server application that's both standards-compliant and state-of-the-art in technology and blistering with technology that goes beyond Mastodon's wildest imagination.

In other words, what we need is to channel a Facebook exodus of several tens of millions of users to Forte. I'd say hundreds of millions to also outgrow Threads, but Threads will block every last Forte server because Forte is incompatible with Forte's federation requirements by its design and its philosophy.

Imagine a Fediverse in which, whenever one Mastodon user speaks of Mastodon as either "the Fediverse" or the best Fediverse software ever, two or three Forte users disagree.

Trouble is, Forte isn't fit to take a Facebook exodus infrastructure-wise. It doesn't have a single public, open-registration server. It probably has fewer than 20 daily-driving users, all of whom are on single-user servers.

This also means that nobody knows whether Forte is fit to take a Facebook exodus technology-wise. Nobody knows how many users a Forte server can handle if none has ever even had half a dozen users. And, in fact, nobody knows how well Forte's implementation of nomadic identity works if only Mike Macgirvin himself has evern cloned a Forte channel and even that only under lab conditions. I mean, why clone your channel when you can just as well back up the whole server because it's yours?

(streams) doesn't look much better, unfortunately. It has about two public, open-registration servers. There should be another one in Europe, but it's currently broken. Otherwise, it's like Forte: People try it by first setting up their own server. And hardly anyone is willing to host a public one, much less enough of these for cloning to be viable. So, again, even (streams)' nomadic identity is only ever tested by Mike under lab conditions.

It doesn't help that both have only one developer who is officially retired.

As much as I personally love (streams) for being sleek and more fitting into today's Fediverse, it's probably Hubzilla that's the most solid candidate for a state-of-the-art Facebook alternative.

It's the most well-known of the bunch (except non-nomadic, account-equals-identity Friendica). It has been around for a decade. It has two main devs, none of whom have ever retired from Fediverse development. It has quite a bunch of open-registration hubs. It has enough active users for bugs to be spotted quickly and even a few who occasionally submit pull requests. It has an active community, albeit a small one, but better than having only a few dozen users world-wide. I've even read somewhere that Hubzilla needs fewer server resources than (streams). And yes, it's more versatile. Also, it has a community-maintained help system where (streams) and Forte barely have a public tech spec.

On the other hand, however, Hubzilla has the steepest learning curve in the whole Fediverse. It feels like geared towards Friendica converts first and foremost, although Friendica and Hubzilla have been developed away from each other.

Its default settings are still adjusted for a Zot-based "Grid" that was envisioned as a successor to the Federation in the first half of the 2010s, but not for today's ActivityPub-based Fediverse. This means that you will have to configure your brand-new channel before you can start using it. And there's nothing on Hubzilla's Web UI that tells you that you have to "install" an "app" to be able to connect to Mastodon. Not to mention that many permission settings are only available in the shape of templates rather than individual switches like on (streams) and Forte.

It's hard enough for Mastodon users who are already used to decentralised things to switch to Hubzilla, the difference in philosophy (Twitter clone vs grand-son of a Facebook alternative with a side of WordPress) notwithstanding. But it'd be considerably harder for Facebook users to switch to Hubzilla than it is for 𝕏 users to switch to Mastodon.

I can't see Hubzilla dominate the Fediverse for other reasons as well, even in the event of a huge Facebook exodus.

First of all, the vast majority of Facebook refugees will be on-boarded by people who barely or not at all know the Fediverse beyond Mastodon, and who therefore think that Mastodon is the Fediverse's only viable alternative to Facebook. And by people who may know that Friendica exists, but who want to stay in contact with their old Facebook friends, and who cannot imagine that you can follow a Friendica account from Mastodon. So these Facebook refugees will end up adding millions upon millions of new users to Mastodon.

Besides, the Friendica community will try to reel in as many Facebook refugees as possible. The Friendica community is bigger than the Hubzilla community. Also, they've probably got some considerable foothold on Facebook whereas your typical Hubzilla user is hardly anywhere else except maybe for an experimental (streams) channel. Friendica will use its advantage of being widely considered "the" Facebook alternative in the Fediverse.

At the same time, the Hubzilla community won't even know how to tackle this situation, much less profit from it. They'll probably get stuck in discussions that don't lead to anything productive, in this case also being hindered by the notion that "Hubzilla is not a social network" (even though it'd work just fine as one).

Lastly, people will join whatever has its own official app in the Apple App Store and the Google Play Store with the same name as the whole project and the server software. And that's Mastodon.

In the meantime, Friendica only has a bunch of third-party Android apps and a few semi-open beta iOS apps, but no official one named "Friendica". The other three have no apps at all, save for a Web-based Hubzilla app that hasn't seen any development activity in over six years. And the Hubzilla community can't even agree upon whether any Hubzilla app would be feasible in the first place, much less which features it has to include, also due to the false assumption that people will use the app only occasionally when they're out and about rather than daily-drive it as their only frontend.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte

#Hubzilla #Statistics 2025-12-19
Number of Instances: 187
Number of Users: 9 634
Number of Statuses: 710 533

#Fediverse

@Strypey

Groups are tied permanently to the originating server.

Not true for Hubzilla forums as well as (streams) and Forte groups.

I could set up a Hubzilla forum channel that simultaneously resides on half a dozen or more fully independent servers. All instances of the channel will incrementally back themselves up to all other instances of the channel in near-real-time, bidirectionally.

One server goes down, I still have 100% identical living copies on all the other servers.

The miracle of nomadic identity. Established in 2012, daily-driven on production channels for longer than Mastodon itself.

Literally the only disadvantage is that the non-nomadic parts of the Fediverse, including Mastodon, will perceive each clone as its own separate Fediverse account.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #NomadicIdentity

@K@rsten :verified_gay: Na ja, an ein paar Dingen kann man schon sofort erkennen, daß ein Beitrag so nicht von Mastodon selbst kommen kann.

Beispiel: Fett? Kursiv? Unterstrichen? Code? Eingebettete Links ohne sichtbare URL?

• Stichpunktliste?

Zitat?

Kann Mastodon alles nicht erzeugen. Wenn sowas da ist, kann der ganze Beitrag nicht von Mastodon sein.

Anderes Beispiel: Erwähnungen. Mastodon und seine Forks erwähnen

• mit Kurznamen
• ohne Domain
• mit dem @ im Link

Also @⁠karsbehr.

Misskey und seine Forks (und Forks von Forks usw.) erwähnen

• mit Kurznamen
• mit Domain
• mit dem @ im Link

Also @⁠karsbehr⁠@⁠m.k-behrens⁠.de.

Friendica und Hubzilla erwähnen

• mit Langnamen
• mit dem @ vor dem Link

Also @K@rsten :verified_gay:.

(streams) und Forte erwähnen standardmäßig wie Friendica und Hubzilla, können aber optional mit Kurznamen erwähnen, wobei auch dann das @ nicht im Link ist.

Mit Hashtags ist es ähnlich: Auf Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) und Forte ist das # kein Teil des Link, sondern es steht vor dem Link. Übrigens können die vier auch sehr viel mehr Zeichen im Hashtag haben, sogar Leerzeichen.

Wenn jemand in einem Bildpost erwähnt, daß man von dem Post das Original öffnen sollte, um alle Bilder zu sehen, weil er mehr als vier Bilder enthält, kann der Post auch nicht von Mastodon sein.

Antworten, die nicht jeden vorherigen Poster erwähnen? Sowas kann nur von Friendica und seiner Familie oder aus dem Threadiverse (Lemmy, /kbin, Mbin, PieFed) kommen, wo Antworten keine Erwähnungen brauchen.

Es gibt noch ein untrügliches Zeichen, daß ein Beitrag nicht von Mastodon kommen kann. Und das ist, wenn sich darin jemand darüber aufregt, daß mal wieder das Fediverse mit Mastodon gleichgesetzt wird. Beinahe allen Mastodon-Nutzern ist das komplett Wurscht, oder sie glauben selbst, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon.

Auch Leute, die sich darüber aufregen, wenn jemand einen langen Beitrag in lauter kleine Stücke zerschnippelt, gibt es so nicht auf Mastodon. Generell: Wenn jemand über irgendetwas motzt, was auf Mastodon völlig normal oder gar Pflicht oder sogar technisch zwingend notwendig ist, dann kommt das definitiv nicht von Mastodon.

CC: @Lage der Nation

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Threadiverse #Lemmy #/kbin #Mbin #PieFed

@Jasmin Neitzel Tja, @crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts ist gar nicht auf Mastodon. Nur weil du es auf Mastodon siehst, muß es nicht selbst auf Mastodon sein.

Ein Irrglaube nicht nur von so ziemlich ausnahmslos jedem Mastodon-Neuling, sondern auch von vielen, die schon seit Jahren dabei sind, ist, daß das Fediverse nur Mastodon ist. Das stimmt nicht; das Fediverse war nie nur Mastodon. Nie.

Wenn man dann lernt, daß das Fediverse nicht nur Mastodon ist, ist es häufig trotzdem unvorstellbar, daß die ganzen Serveranwendungen im Fediverse nicht nur innerhalb ihrer selbst, sondern auch untereinander kommunizieren. Auch das bestärkt den Irrglauben vieler Mastodon-Nutzer, alles, was sie in ihren Timelines sehen, ist selbst auch von Mastodon.

@crossgolf_rebel - kostenlose Kwalitätsposts war lange auf Calckey und ist inzwischen auf Sharkey. Calckey und Sharkey sind beide Forks von Misskey, einer in Japan entwickelten "Microblogging"-Serveranwendung im Fediverse. Und Misskey wird seit 2014 unabhängig von Mastodon entwickelt.

Ich selbst schreibe hier gerade von Hubzilla (https://hubzilla.org, https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla). Eigentlich sollte offensichtlich sein, daß das hier nicht von Mastodon kommen kann, weil es Sachen beinhaltet, die Mastodon nicht kann, z. B.:

• Stichpunktlisten
• Textformatierung
• Erwähnungen mit Langnamen
• weit über 500 Zeichen (das Zeichenlimit hier ist über 16,7 Millionen)

Hubzillas Geschichte geht zurück bis nach Friendica, das 2010 vom selben ursprünglichen Entwickler an den Start gebracht wurde, also fünfeinhalb Jahre vor Mastodon, als Eugen Rochko noch zur Schule ging. Besagter Entwickler hat es 2011 zweimal geforkt und dann 2012 und 2015 jeweils gründlich umgebaut. So entstand Hubzilla, die mit Abstand mächtigste Fediverse-Serveranwendung und das genaue Gegenteil von Mastodon. Du kannst es dir vorstellen als Facebook trifft WordPress trifft GeoCities trifft Google Cloud Services trifft noch einiges mehr an Zeugs. Sachen, die für Mastodon völlig unvorstellbar sind, kann es schon länger, als es Mastodon überhaupt gibt. Mit Mastodon kommunizieren kann es trotzdem.

tl;dr: Im Fediverse gibt es Sachen, die sehr viel mächtiger sind als Mastodon. Und es gibt sie schon länger als Mastodon selbst. Mit Mastodon fing im Fediverse gar nichts an, höchstens die als selbstverständlich und gottgegeben angesehene Mastodon-Zentrizität und der Glaube, das Fediverse sei nur Mastodon.

@Lage der Nation

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #NichtNurMastodon #Misskey #Calckey #Sharkey #Friendica #Hubzilla #MastodonZentrizität #MastodonNormativität

Oh, Zot! Nomadic Identity is Coming to ActivityPub - We Distribute

One of the Zot’s most powerful concepts for identity management and remote access is being ported to work on ActivityPub. It could change the Fediverse.

#fediverse #activitypub #zot #nomad #forte #Macgirvin #hubzilla #(streams)

#Hubzilla #Statistics 2025-12-18
Number of Instances: 187
Number of Users: 9 632
Number of Statuses: 709 864

#Fediverse

#Hubzilla #Statistics 2025-12-17
Number of Instances: 188
Number of Users: 9 631
Number of Statuses: 734 643

#Fediverse

#Hubzilla #Statistics 2025-12-16
Number of Instances: 188
Number of Users: 9 629
Number of Statuses: 734 272

#Fediverse