Frustration in Hollow Knight – Podcast E125

Nicht immer läuft es in Games so, wie wir uns das vorstellen – nicht zuletzt in der Hollow-Knight-Reihe. Da lässt Frustration manchmal nicht lange auf sich warten. Warum das so ist und wie wir mit Frust-Momenten umgehen können, erkunden wir mit Psychologin Jolina Bering und Genre-Kenner Erik Körner.

Bild: Hollow Knight: Silksong, Team Cherry

Zu Gast

• Jolina Bering | jolythepsych.de | Instagram
• Erik Körner | Bluesky

Host

• Jessica Kathmann | Behind the Screens

TLDR

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00:00:31 Intro und Vorstellung
00:04:55 Frustration aus psychologischer Perspektive
00:15:06 Gefühlsebene & körperliche Ebene
00:28:23 Frust-Gedanken und Festbeißen; Wie muss man an die Spiele rangehen?
00:52:56 Frust-Beispiele in HK & Silksong
00:58:42 Runbacks: Eine Lanze gebrochen für Bilewater
01:14:48 Muss diese Erfahrung allen gefallen?
01:24:47 Schlechtes Design? Oder intendierter Frust-Auslöser?
01:46:48 Gibt es guten Frust in Games?
01:54:18 Dank & Abmoderation

Psychologie und Konzepte

• Basisemotionen
• Frustration
• Frustrations-Aggressions-Hypothese
• Frustrationstoleranz
• SDT
• Bedürfnistheorie nach Grawe
• Attribution
• Framing
• Kognitive Dissonanz
• Loss Aversion

Literatur und Links

• Soulslikes: Die Psychologie der Herausforderung – Podcast E093 – Behind the Screens
• Wie unsere Bedürfnisse ins Spiel kommen – Podcast E074 – Behind the Screens
• Frustration-aggression hypothesis :examination and reformulation (Berkotwitz, 1989)
• Sore losers? A reexamination of the frustration–aggression hypothesis for colocated video game play (Breuer et al., 2015)
• Frustration-aggression hypothesis reconsidered: The role of significance quest (Kurglanski et al., 2023)
• The frustration-aggression hypothesis (Miller, 1941)
• Applying evolutionary thinking to the study of emotion (Weisfeld & Goetz, 2013)

Games

• Hollow Knight
• Hollow Knight: Silksong
• Elden Ring
• Demon’s Souls
• Dark Souls-Reihe

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#Aggression #Attribution #Basisemotionen #Bedürfnistheorie #Framing #Frustration #FrustrationsAggressionsHypothese #Frustrationstoleranz #KognitiveDissonanz #LossAversion #Selbstbestimmungstheorie

1️⃣1️⃣ Loss Aversion
Losing $100 feels worse than gaining $100 feels good.
That asymmetry drives bad policy; we overprotect against small losses and miss larger gains.
Practicing appreciation for objective benefit motivates action.

#CognitiveBias #LossAversion #FreeWill #Economics #Policy #GrowthMindset #20postchallenge

@xankarn

It would result in ego death reveal the sunk cost fallacies, and prevalence of mediocrity.

#LossAversion drives everything.

https://inaniludibrio.com/2024/01/26/data-history/

People in spheres of influence, who make decisions from a place of #fear, will succumb to #LossAversion and make poor-quality decisions.
https://flipboard.com/@thenewsdesk/top-stories-in-politics-mjjjoeffz/-/a-Pja6IHaVSIeUkQjFZuKWzw%3Aa%3A43591897-%2F0

@LazaroDTormes
They need to have faith in something, cuz they are all making #fear-based decisions rooted in #LossAversion.

@OGjester

#LossAversion and #fear drive the oligarchy.

It always has.

The #techbroligarchs make all decisions from a place of #fear and #LossAversion.

@Bon_Jardin @argv_minus_one @dalfen

I agree he’s suffering from a terminal case of brainworms.

The only way to not spend the rest of his life in court is to back fascism.

The only way for Trump to avoid jail, is for the Supreme Court to monkey with the process and let the House declare him the winner.

#LossAversion is a powerful drug 🤷🏻‍♂️

@DebR @locksmithprime @GottaLaff @quincypeck @JonChevreau

#LossAversion is a powerful drug.

🧵4/8 Profit Taking vs. Loss Acceptance: There is a natural human tendency to secure profits quickly and avoid realizing losses, reflecting a psychological bias known as loss aversion. This can lead to unbalanced trading decisions. #BehavioralFinance #LossAversion

Ach, ik lees dat #DanielKahneman is overleden. Een voorbeeld voor velen en ook voor mij, die de economie als wetenschapper een broodnodige irrationele schop onder de kont heeft gegeven samen met #AmosTversky #LossAversion Heb hem ooit van (een beetje) dichtbij gezien toen hij een ere-doctoraat kreeg bij de Erasmus Universiteit.

Met veel plezier zijn Thinking Fast and Slow gelezen.

Feelings about expectation-reality gaps depend on feelings about the expectation: If people like what's expected, negative changes matter more (#lossAversion), but if people dislike what's expected, positive changes matter more (#gainSeeking).

Mellers and Yin found this pattern in risky choices as well: https://doi.org/10.1177/17456916231190393

#decisionScience #risk #economics #psychology #JDM #ReferencePointTheory

I think Hamas is more scared of anti-Hamas demonstrations in Gaza than they are of Israeli munitions, because terrorists are not normal, well-adjusted people with critical-thinking skills.

They don’t have the prerequisites for adhering to a ceasefire.

Meanwhile, the Kahanists in Netanyahu’s coalition fear the same: being out of power.

#LossAversion is the factor which guides both.

Many people have an aversion to #data and #history just like they do #therapy, or even an annual physical.

It’s #fear of confronting things that might lead to pain, disappointment, or change.

Fear, and #LossAversion, can lead to delaying valuable interventions, critical actions, or development of #FirstPrinciples.

http://pietroortoleva.com/papers/WTA-P.pdf
3 new facts that contradict standard theories:
* the endowment effect is unrelated to #LossAversion for risky prospects;
* WTA & WTP are largely uncorrelated;
* WTA & WTP are related to different, independent features of risk preferences.
…results contradict the standard explanation of the #EndowmentEffect in #BehavioralEconomics that it is due to an asymmetry in the treatment of gains and losses is manifest in loss aversion for risky prospects.
#BoundedRationality

Don’t Use A Pros & Cons List
https://www.forbes.com/sites/jenamcgregor/2023/01/11/to-make-good-decisions-dont-use-a-pros-and-cons-list/?sh=2ae7946d7de7

When trying to make decisions about change, people are typically biased against the switch due to the concept of #LossAversion.
#DecisionMaking expert Annie Duke shares her advice on making tough calls in one’s career, suggesting to project forward, develop “kill criteria”, and get a “quitting coach." Include the word “unless” in any goal or resolutions to avoid the feeling of failure and set realistic standards.

#bias #BoundedRationality