#Xenophon

David Cantrell 🏏DrHyde@fosstodon.org
2025-11-13

Ooooh! #FallOfCivilizations has a new episode out, 5 hours on #Persia. Includes gems like accusing #Xenophon of writing #CyrusTheGreat #FanFic.

2025-02-03

– GĂ©nĂ©ral #Lysandre, tu veux en fait dominer #AthĂšnes toi-mĂȘme !
– Oh mais non mĂȘme pĂŽ vrai !
– Peuh ! Écoute, je suis jaloux comme un pou. Alors, aux dires de #XĂ©nophon, je vais intervenir dans tous tes plans et y semer la pagaille et la zizanie. Tiens, je m'impose dans ton armĂ©e grĂące au soutien des Ă©phores ! Tiens, je mĂšne sur les dĂ©mocrates du #PirĂ©e des attaques toutes pourries pour faire style ! Tiens, je les bats dans un engagement mais je nĂ©gocie secrĂštement avec eux !
– Raaaah !

@hist_myth mastodon.top/@hist_myth/113936

2024-12-12

DJ: All right now, for all you boppers out there in the big city, all you street people with an ear for the action, I've been asked to relay a request from the Grammercy Riffs. It's a special for the Warriors, that real live bunch from Coney, and I do mean the Warriors. Here's a hit with them in mind.

#Xenophon #Warriors

After the generals had been seized, and the captains and soldiers who formed their escort had been killed, the Hellenes lay in deep perplexity - a prey to painful reflections. Here were they at the king's gates, and on every side environing them were many hostile cities and tribes of men. Who was there now to furnish them with a market? Separated from Hellas by more than a thousand miles, they had not even a guide to point the way. Impassable rivers lay athwart their homeward route, and hemmed them in. Betrayed even by the Asiatics, at whose side they had marched with Cyrus to the attack, they were left in isolation. Without a single mounted trooper to aid them in pursuit: was it not perfectly plain that if they won a battle, their enemies would escape to a man, but if they were beaten themselves, not one soul of them would survive?
Calico Jessedeinol@dice.camp
2024-12-07

Been reading a collection of Xenophon’s shorter writings.

I’m rather amused by his list of suitable dog names.

Psychē — Soul
Thumos — Spirit
Porpax — Shield Handle
Sturax — Spear Spike
Lonchē — Lance
Lochos — Ambush
Hēba — Youth
Gētheus — Delight
Chara — Joy
Leusƍn — Looker
Augƍ — Sunlight
Polus — March
Phroura — Lookout
Phulax — Guard
Taxis — Order
Xiphon — Sword
Phonax — Bloodlust
Phlegƍn — Fiery

1/2

#Xenophon #Greek #History #Philosophy #Dogs #AncientGreek #Classical #Reading

Xenophon is Still Sad

An anonymous Tumblr account called Xenophon is Sad used to collect quotes where researchers disrespected or erased Xenophon the Athenian adventurer. Although Xenophon was a friend of Socrates and an extremely successful writer in many genres, his words leave many academics cold. The Tumblr has not been updated since 2021 but I found two more quotes which belong on it.

(In Xenophon’s Memorabilia the armourer) Pistias boasts of the quality of his cuirasses because they fit the body so closely and because they are so beautiful. Socrates asks how Pistias can well serve a client who has an ugly body. Pistias is confused but doesn’t see a problem. Xenophon himself, not the sharpest knife in the drawer, may not get the joke either, but the significant underlying assumption is that Pistias’ clients want him to make them look more beautiful.

Stewart Flory, 2011 https://bmcr.brynmawr.edu/2011/2011.02.23

Obviously the strongest analogue for GenAI is Xenophon; trained on Thucydides’ text with access to data on contemporary events, resulting in something that looks superficially history-ish but doesn’t in fact offer a coherent, consistent or trustworthy account of anything


Neville Morley, 2024 https://thesphinxblog.com/2024/08/25/song-for-whoever/

I like George Cawkwell who saw Xenophon as using simple language to mask subtle ideas about what was and was not worth talking about. Xenophon is also interested in a wide variety of people and aspects of society, such as the economics that let a worker in Athens specialize in making soles for women’s boots while a worker in the mountains of Arcadia makes all kinds of footwear between farm work (not to mention the professional companion in the Memorabilia!)

I doubt anyone will read me for as long as they read Xenophon or Thucydides, but in the meantime shares, recommendations, and donations are appreciated!

(scheduled 28 August 2024)

#ancient #historiography #Xenophon #XenophonIsSad

a screenshot from the Xenophon is Sad Tumblr account.  It has a map from the Anabasis in red and black at the top as a header image, a bust of Thucydides as a profile picture, and a series of quotes in black and white against an indigo blue background
Calico Jessedeinol@dice.camp
2024-11-25

Xenophon: The silver mine will never run out and never suffers from inflation, so why doesn’t the city invest more in mining?

Probably true for a few hundred years, but they did indeed deplete in the Roman era.

They reactivated after the industrial revolution with modern techniques, and then really dried up a century later.

And absolutely silver can have inflation, but not at the slow rate of ancient mining.

#Xenophon #WaysAndMeans #History #Philosophy #AncientEconomics

Calico Jessedeinol@dice.camp
2024-11-25

Found a book I’d partially read a while back, decided I should finish it and get it off my “currently reading” list. It’s a collection of Shorter Works by Xenophon. I believe once I finish it I’ll have read everything he’s written.

In the section on “Ways and Means” or “Public Revenues” depending on who is translating the title.

Of course I’m also working on Stonewielder and Dust of Dreams too.

#Reading #Philosophy #Xenophon #Malazan

Coach Pāáč‡ini Âźpaninid@mastodon.world
2024-06-29

#Xenophon, in his work "Anabasis," describes passing by the ruins of a large abandoned city during the retreat of the Ten Thousand Greek mercenaries in 401 BC. While Xenophon did not identify the ruins as #Nineveh, many historians have long believed that what he saw were indeed the remains of this ancient Assyrian capital.

#history youtu.be/iUOKgjMY8so?si=DZPLhl

2023-12-31

#WhatImReading #Hellenica #Xenophon finally getting round to the whole narrative rather than little bits as translation exercises - great fun.

the peloponnesus in a board game, with pieces on its southern coast
dockaba@openbiblio.socialdockaba@openbiblio.social
2023-10-27

Der #Booktober: noch 5 Tage, noch 5 BĂŒcher. Heute: UnzeitgemĂ€ĂŸe #Feldherren. Der #Hipparch als Prototyp des erfolgreichen #Feldherrn in #Xenophon|s #Hellenika. Von David #Toalster. #Gutenberg 2013.

Im Buchumschlag ist das Grabmal des Dexileos vom Athener Kerameikos dargestellt. Ein Reiter auf seinem Pferd, unter ihnen ein unterlegener Gegner. Im Sockel ist die Grabinschrift zu lesen.

Socrates: ‘Don't you think that self-indulgence debars people from wisdom, which is the greatest good, and drives them into the opposite state? Don't you think that, by dragging them off in pursuit of pleasure, it prevents them from studying and apprehending their real interests; and that it often confuses their perception of good and bad and makes them choose the worse instead of the better?'

Euthydemus: 'That does happen.'

Memoirs of Socrates
#socrates #xenophon

Histoires Mythiqueshist_myth@mastodon.top
2023-07-02

Livre VII et dernier de l' #Anabase de #Xénophon !

AprĂšs avoir crapahutĂ© de l'Irak Ă  la GĂ©orgie et s'ĂȘtre farcis Ă  pied et en bateau la cĂŽte de la mer Noire, les mercenaires grecs vont-ils enfin rentrer chez eux ?
Ou vont-ils encore se faire entraĂźner dans des aventures sans queue ni tĂȘte au service de potentats locaux ?
Hmm... Ă  votre avis ?
Un thread âŹ‡ïž

#HistoireGrecque #HistoirePerse #Thrace #AntiquitéGrecque #antiquite

Gravure d'Herman Vogel illustrant l'Anabase de XĂ©nophon, 19e siĂšcle. On y voit des Grecs, certains Ă  cheval, d'autres Ă  pied et d'autres vautrĂ©s par terre, sur un sentier de montagne. Ils pointent le doigt vers l'horizon oĂč s'Ă©tend la mer. Si vous suivez ce thread vous noterez que cet Ă©pisode se situe au livre 4, pas au livre 7, mais euh bon pfff vous savez personne s'est amusĂ© Ă  illustrer XĂ©nophon en pleines nĂ©gociations salariales, hein.

Quote from the Penguin introduction to “Memoirs of Socrates” by Xenophon.

Makes you wonder about our times. Are we tolerating Socrates or kindly suggesting that he drink Hemlock?
#socrates #xenophon

“Hence, his mission (see pp. 13, 17, 36) was to show people that they were ignorant by pricking the bubble of illusory knowledge. We have already seen that this is a dangerous practice, of which only tolerant societies can approve (see p. 36),”
Histoires Mythiqueshist_myth@mastodon.top
2023-06-12

Vous l'attendiez tous et toutes, vous en trépigniez d'impatience, voici le livre VI de l' #Anabase de #Xénophon !
A la fin du livre V, nos mercenaires grecs se chamaillaient Ă  Kotyora, colonie des Sinopiens. AprĂšs un petit procĂšs/purge, vont-ils tous mieux s'entendre et rentrer tous ensemble en GrĂšce dans l'harmonie et la concorde ?

Spoiler : NON.
#Anabase, Ă©pisode VI, un THREAD âŹ‡ïž

#histoiregrecque #antiquite #histoireperse

Histoires Mythiqueshist_myth@mastodon.top
2023-05-21

Il fait beau, il fait chaud, c'est dimanche, quoi de mieux que de suivre les pérégrinations de Xéxé et ses mercenaires grecs un peu trop loin de la GrÚce ?
C'est parti pour l' #Anabase de #Xénophon, résumé iconoclaste par une lectrice circonspecte !
Aujourd'hui, le livre V, ou bisbille chez les Dix Mille.

(Enfin les Huit Mille. Y a eu de la casse au livre IV.)

Les mercenaires grecs étaient arrivés à Trapezous, comment rentrer chez eux de là ?
THREAD âŹ‡ïž

Histoires Mythiqueshist_myth@mastodon.top
2023-05-08

Vous l'attendiez, le voilà, le voici : l'épisode 4 de notre résumé moqueur de l' #Anabase de #Xénophon (Xéxé dans ce thread).
Dans l'épisode précédent, 10 000 mercenaires grecs coincés dans l'Empire perse n'arrivaient pas à traverser le fleuve Tigre, et décidaient à la place de partir plein nord, dans les montagnes des féroces Kardoukhoi...

Au programme : marches, montagnes, peuples étranges, miel toxique et le passage préféré de votre prof de grec.
âŹ‡ïž
#histoiregrecque #histoireperse #antiquite

Une carte de la Turquie en relief. Une flÚche rouge, du sud au nord, montre le trajet suivi par les mercenaires grecs dans ce livre IV, de grosso modo la frontiÚre actuelle Turquie/Irak, au sud, à Trabzon sur les cÎtes de la mer Noire, au nord. Disclaimer : cet itinéraire est reconstitué au doigt mouillé et sans expertise aucune. Aussi, sur le trajet, y a des montagnes. BEAUCOUP de montagnes.
Histoires Mythiqueshist_myth@mastodon.top
2023-04-28

En 401 av. J.-C., aprÚs avoir participé à une tentative de coup d'Etat raté, 10 000 mercenaires grecs se retrouvaient piégés au fin fond de l'Empire perse, entourés d'ennemis et sans généraux pour les guider. Vont-ils rentrer chez eux ? C'est ce que nous allons tenter de voir dans ce résumé irrévérencieux, moqueur, iconoclaste de l' #Anabase de #Xénophon - Livre III.
âŹ‡ïž
#histoiregrecque #antiquite #perse #litteraturegrecque

Histoires Mythiqueshist_myth@mastodon.top
2023-04-16

Reprenons notre rĂ©sumĂ© mĂ©chant, irrĂ©vĂ©rencieux et woke-cancel-culture-fera-bondir-les-lecteurs-du-Figaro de l' #Anabase de #XĂ©nophon, un auteur athĂ©nien pas extrĂȘmement ouvert et dĂ©mocrate mĂȘme pour son Ă©poque.

Si vous voulez relire le début, c'est ici : mastodon.top/@hist_myth/110147

Que deviendront nos mercenaires grecs perdus au fin fond de l'empire perse maintenant que leur patron est tout zigouillé ? Vous le saurez dans cet épisode II (fin du livre I, livre II) : complozétrahisons !

Thread âŹ‡ïž

Tableau de 1843, par Adrien Guignet, de la bataille de Counaxa, opposant l'armĂ©e du roi de Perse ArtaxerxĂšs et l'armĂ©e rebelle de Cyrus (dont les mercenaires grecs hĂ©ros de l'Anabase), en 401 avant JĂ©sus-Christ. Le tableau montre un dĂ©cor de montagnes sĂšches et de dĂ©sert, sous un ciel bleu envahi de poussiĂšre. Au milieu, une armĂ©e hĂ©tĂ©roclite, avec des archers, des fantassins et de cavaliers en pleine mĂȘlĂ©e. Il y a un type au milieu avec un casque et un drapeau blanc et qui semble encourager les autres, du coup je pense que c'est Cyrus le jeune, le prince de Perse qui voulait trĂšs fort ĂȘtre roi de Perse.
Histoires Mythiqueshist_myth@mastodon.top
2023-04-05

Vous l'avez voulu, vous l'avez demandé, voici un thread sur ma lecture de l' #Anabase de #Xénophon , récit historico-biographique de l'#antiquite par un vieux zigoto qu'était pas top tolérant et démocrate.

Si vous aimez du fond du cƓur les Ă©crivains oligarques du IVe siĂšcle av. J.-C., fuyez : ce rĂ©sumĂ© va se moquer rĂ©solument de XĂ©nophon. XĂ©xĂ© pour les intimes.

Montons donc en marche vers la Perse (et repartons dare-dare) !

Aujourd'hui: le livre I sur VII âŹ‡ïž

#histoiregrecque

Carte de l'empire perse avec le trajet en rouge de l'expédition des mercenaires (les Dix Mille). Le trajet part d'EphÚse (milieu de la cÎte turque en Méditerranée), zigzague jusqu'à Counaxa (Irak actuel), repart plein nord jusqu'à la cÎte sud-est de la mer Noire puis suit la cÎte jusqu'au détroit du Bosphore.
2023-01-16

Two seminar outings for new-ish research this term - one for Plato, one for Xenophon. (And both of course subject to UCU strike dates). First up is '“The Work of the Free”: Xenophon and the Politics of Liberality' at the Institute for Historical Research History of Political Ideas seminar, on February 15th. I'll be arguing for a greater emphasis on the link between liberty and liberality in Xenophon's thought.

#history #politicalthought #xenophon #london
history.ac.uk/events/work-free

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