#Objectivism

A few thoughts that relate to the above poem (tanka).

The late Erik Naggum was a controversial figure as a user of programming language Common Lisp and markup language SGML because he was often unreasonably and mercilessly unkind to people he regarded as stupid or people (often newbies) who were unwilling to educate themselves from resources he felt would rescue them from ignorance. I won't make apologies for that. It was beyond rude.

Nonetheless, he was brilliant thinker and I am not one to ignore useful thought because of its source. That is itself a controversial position but it's one I strongly hold to. To do otherwise puts important thought at risk by manufacturing truths or even discovering legit truth about any author. If you were told Homer or Shakespeare or Thomas Jefferson or Maya Angelou or Mark Twain or MLK or AOC or Bernie Sanders was morally flawed, are you then obliged to disclaim or remove their writing. Society would be forever hostage to reputation peddlers. I maintain that the goodness of writing must be judged by the words of the writing, not the author. It's an uncomfortable but necessary truth, as I see it.

Indeed, to read even the thoughts of Hitler or Ayn Rand, neither of whom I thonk well of, can be important. To understand the world and its history, it matters to hear all kinds of people [1].

As I undertand it, Naggum was originally an objectivist. That's how he seemed to present himself to me, as an ex-objectivist. At one time a fan of Ayn Rand and her philosophies. But at some point he had a falling out and came to be a very lucid critic [2], with the sharpness and clarity of one disillusioned by deep and contemplative thought.

His writing is blunt and sometimes intolerant but makes strong points. I found slogging past the unncomfortably phrased parts useful. There's a lot of interesting stuff there.

But one thing he, a Norwegian, once said to me was that he felt the really unique and valuable thing about the American capitalist system was its degree of forgiveness. Elsewhere, he said, if you make a mistake and, you are done, sacked with debt you cannot return from, and given no second chance. The American system of bankruptcy means people can recover and learn from mistakes.

Plainly some do not learn, as one of our co-presidents shows clearly. And you can still do horrible harm that you should not be forgiven for, a problem the other co-president is poster boy for. But there is a place for forgiveness and just tolerance.

Yet instead, having gotten into the treehouse, the co-presidents are not seeking to bring others along, just to pull up the ladder so that no one else can get in, at least not without paying dearly.

Naggum also speaks (and this much is in the referenced essay [2]) of the need to accomodate change and diversity and unfortunate circumstances, which he seems to assert is part of the fabric of society that bring intolerant people to sufficient success that they can start to build a society that espouses no need for such.

These things which are in stark contrast with the writings of Yarvin (the apparent philosophical leader of Vance and the Project 2025 crowd), who seems scarily comfortable with death and suffering [3] [4].

[1] netsettlement.blogspot.com/200

[2] nhplace.com/kent/Writing/OS/Na (yes, it has some broken links but the important part is the long embedded quote from email he sent me)

[3] thenerdreich.com/curtis-yarvin

[4] netsettlement.blogspot.com/202

#objectivism #objectivist #AynRand #forgiveness #USPolitics

2025-03-31
KielKontrovers Blogkielkontrovers@norden.social
2025-03-30

@mcSlibinas well, #objectivism does not work.

2025-03-20

New on my blog: Ayn Rand's ethics in today's world. garymcgath.com/wp/ayn-rand-eth
#philosophy #ethics #objectivism

SouthNorthsouthnorth
2025-03-17

@telepolis

By deriving an “ought” (i.e., all people should live out their self-preservation instinct) from an “is” (i.e., all people have a self-preservation instinct), one commits a fallacy in the sense of Hume’s Law.

is increasingly leaning toward an egoistic & anti-humanist worldview in the spirit of the philosophy of .

In plain terms: he doesn’t give a shit about .

2025-03-16

Most of Rand's philosophy comes down to rationalizing avarice, but that doesn't mean it can't be useful. #philosophy #objectivism #altruism

medium.com/@johnhenryus/the-on

2025-03-07

Mike Mazza argues that Karl #Popper was wrong to reject scientific induction in favor of merely disproving hypotheses: youtu.be/ad5KEuKz1a8

Popper’s “falsificationism” claims #science differs from #religion and pseudo-science in its rational *lack* of certainty. But this only serves to undercut the rationality of science!

Lecture recorded live at #OCON 2024 on June 16 in Anaheim. Come to Boston this summer for OCON 2025! events.aynrand.org/ocon/

#philosophy #Objectivism #AynRand

Talkless :debian: :kde:Talkless@fosstodon.org
2025-03-01

Argument against #AynRand 's #Objectivism by #AnCap #DavidFriedman :

"In a [ #FreeMarket ], [...] if other actors are free to provide the service of retaliatory force in competition with the #government, it [government] will have no surplus revenue with which to fund government activities [...].

In order [...] to work, the government must have a monopoly of retaliatory force [...] to be able to collect a #monopoly profit with which to fund its other activities."

daviddfriedman.substack.com/p/

WilliamLMillerwilliamlmiller
2025-01-25

Hi, I’m passionate about ideas that empower individuals to thrive. I believe in enhancing freedom—not through coercion or tearing others down, but by removing barriers and expanding opportunity. Imagine a world with universal basic income, sound government finances, and the end of taxation—all while protecting individual rights. If these ideas resonate, let’s connect and explore a freer, more prosperous future together.

2025-01-22

/r/objectivism on Reddit has just fully imploded. Jamesshrugged has banned all links to Xitter and is desperately deleting comments. About the only thing I'm still following on Reddit is the silent movie subreddit.
#reddit #objectivism

2025-01-13

@atomicpoet I like Barbara Branden’s answer (as recounted by #AynRand) to the question: “What will happen to the poor in an #Objectivist society?”

“If *you* want to help them, you will not be stopped.”

a.co/1UCeYwP

(Rand had nothing against voluntary giving but viewed it “as a marginal issue. What [she fought] is the idea that #charity is a moral duty and a primary virtue.” a.co/aAXS385)

#philosophy #ethics #Objectivism

2025-01-12

“As for the present, I am not willing to surrender the world to the jerky contortions of self-inducedly brainless bodies with empty eye sockets, who perform, in stinking basements, the immemorial rituals of staving off terror, which are a dime a dozen in any jungle—and to the quavering witch doctors who call it ‘#art.’”

a.co/16DxuMJ

When I read this, I wondered if #AynRand had been to one of my old bands’ early gigs. 😉

#music #esthetics #philosophy #Objectivism

“As for the present, I am not willing to surrender the world to the jerky contortions of self-inducedly brainless bodies with empty eye sockets, who perform, in stinking basements, the immemorial rituals of staving off terror, which are a dime a dozen in any jungle—and to the quavering witch doctors who call it ‘art.’”

— Introduction to _The Romantic Manifesto_ by Ayn Rand
☭ 𝗖 𝗔 𝗧 ☭Radical_EgoCom
2024-12-20

Check out this argument I had with an Objectivist who tried to argue that Ayn Rand actual cared about poor people, and their evidence was a YouTube video of an interview she did where she said, "I don't hate the poor, I just don't think they're the best thing in life, and that one should tailor everything to their convenience."

social.sdf.org/@mjgardner/1136

2024-12-20

@mcjevans #AynRand’s essay titled “What Is #Capitalism?” (1965) beautifully explains the connection. You can read it for free here: ari.AynRand.org/issues/governm

If you prefer listening, that page also links to audio and video presentations of the version she edited down as a lecture.

You can also find it in print in the 1966/67 anthology “Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal.”

Let me know what you discover!

#Objectivism #philosophy

“There are only two fundamental questions (or two aspects of the same question) that determine the nature of any social system: Does a social system recognize individual rights? — and: Does a social system ban physical force from human relationships? The answer to the second question is the practical implementation of the answer to the first.”book cover for the centennial edition of Ayn Rand’s “Capitalism: The Unknown Ideal”
2024-12-16

Most of Rand's philosophy comes down to rationalizing avarice, but that doesn't mean it can't be useful. #philosophy #objectivism #altruism

medium.com/@johnhenryus/the-on

2024-12-12

From 1962–1976, #AynRand published a series of periodicals containing dozens and dozens of nonfiction articles by herself and others. Many were later anthologized, but many more were only available in bound collections from the Ayn Rand Institute.

But now you can get discounted paperback editions from Amazon! amazon.com/dp/B0DPJCLFGN?bindi

Here’s an excerpt from the very first article, appropriately titled “Choose Your Issues.” NewIdeal.AynRand.org/an-excerp

#philosophy #politics #Objectivism

“A change in a country’s political ideas has to be preceded by a change in its cultural trends; a cultural movement is the necessary precondition of a political movement. Today’s culture is dominated by the philosophy of mysticism (irrationalism)–altruism–collectivism, the base from which only statism can be derived; the statists (of any brand: communist, fascist or welfare) are merely cashing in on it—while the ‘conservatives’ are scurrying to ride on the enemy’s premises and, somehow, to achieve political freedom by stealth. It can’t be done.”

— an excerpt from ‘Choose Your Issues’ by Ayn Rand, from the January 1962 issue of The Objectivist Newsletter
Christopher Hudsonchrishudsonjr
2024-10-15

Since is in the discourse again, here’s Roderick Long on Rand’s left-libertarian legacy

praxeology.net/unblog02-06.htm

Edogowaeleog
2024-09-20

theconversation.com/friday-ess

Odd how Ayn took Medicare when she was dying of lung cancer from her years of proudly smoking.

Truth is, Ayn knew nothing about human nature. Check the official version of her "philosophy" by Leonard Peikoff for the words "child" and "parent". Ayn Rand was a sociopath. Check out what happened when her affair with Nathaniel Branden ended because had a younger lover.

Ayn wrote romance novels that should have had Fabio on the cover. That's all.

2024-09-19

@geekruthie #Heinlein came close, but even as he admired #AynRand he once joked that she “was a bloody socialist compared to me.”

I think it’s because he never grasped #Objectivism’s #individualism as a consistent application of rationally recognizing man’s nature in the field of #ethics. He seemed to favor more Nietzschean emotional iconoclasm.

So the whim-worshipping #Libertarians love him, lump him with Rand, and the rest of the culture accepts the package deal.

#philosophy

2024-09-19

It sucks whenever I draw sneers on #SocialMedia for posting unpopular things based on #AynRand’s #philosophy of #Objectivism.

Which is almost every time.

But then these words echo back to me in my head whenever I feel intimidated into silence by the wrongness of the world: a.co/7KMJ42p

And then I remember that “popular” doesn’t mean “right” in either the factual or moral sense of that word.

So I go back to fighting the good fight, in every sense of that phrase.

“_One must never fail to pronounce moral judgment._

“Nothing can corrupt and disintegrate a culture or a man’s character as thoroughly as does the precept of moral agnosticism, the idea that one must never pass moral judgment on others, that one must be morally tolerant of anything, that the good consists of never distinguishing good from evil.

“It is obvious who profits and who loses by such a precept. It is not justice or equal treatment that you grant to men when you abstain equally from praising men’s virtues and from condemning men’s vices. When your impartial attitude declares, in effect, that neither the good nor the evil may expect anything from you—whom do you betray and whom do you encourage?”

— “How Does One Lead a Rational Life in am Irrational Society?”, published in _The Virtue of Selfishness_ by Ayn Rand

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