#Tharp

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Hired as technician "she had a hard time convincing [her superior, PhD student] Heezen, who initially dismissed her ideas as "old wives’ tale". In fact, it took #Tharp a whole year to persuade her male colleague that she was right, by showing the correlation between her #bathymetricMaps and that of earthquakes in the Atlantic"

"Being a #woman, she wasn't at that time allowed to embark on oceanographic vessels, or earn a PhD" 

#PlateTectonics #DriftTheory #WomenInScience #MarieTharp

This map of the North Atlantic Ocean was drawn by hand by Bruce Heezen and Marie Tharp in 1957, using the physiographic diagram technique, i.e. in perspective.
Daniel Dvorkinmedigoth@qoto.org
2024-09-05

A conversation.

“When experts disagree, usually the best thing to do is listen to what the majority of experts say. There’s no guarantee that they’re right, but they’re more likely right than wrong. And if the majority view is overturned, it’s almost guaranteed that this will be done by other experts in the field presenting evidence for the minority view, not by random kibitzers.”

“For the history buffs in here, while most scientific knowledge is advanced incrementally, the true breakthroughs are usually ridiculed by the reigning experts. That is why appeals to authority are the worst kind of logical fallacy for a scientist.”

“That’s the pop-history version of scientific progress. The actual #history of #science is very different. Kind of like the difference between ‘history buffs’ and historians.”

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Yes, there are examples—a few—of genuine breakthroughs that were ridiculed by the scientific establishment of the day. I bet you know what they are, because everyone does. They laughed at #Semmelweis, they laughed at #Wegner, they laughed at Luis and Walter #Alvarez, they laughed at #Marshall and #Warren. These things happened.

But they did not laugh at #Galileo: indeed, they took his work with deadly seriousness. (And there really wasn’t any such thing as a “scientific establishment” at the time.) They did not laugh at #Newton, or #Watt, or #Darwin, or #Gibbs, or #Pasteur, or #Einstein, or #Curie, or #Heisenberg, or #Fisher, or #Watson and #Crick and poor unacknowledged #Franklin, or #Tharp and #Heezen, or #Ostrom and #Bakker, or #Hansen, or the vast majority of scientists whose work has fundamentally changed our understanding of the universe.

At least if by “they” you mean scientists working in relevant fields, who understood the questions at hand … not, in most cases, scientists from other fields, or those with no scientific experience at all. Nor the religious and political ideologues who muddy the waters by creating fake “controversies” to cast doubt on results they know are true, but cannot accept.

In some cases they disagreed, quite vociferously. There were debates that descended into shouting matches, professional disagreements turned into personal feuds, once-eminent researchers become sad cranks, ruined careers and shortened lives. Yes. These things happened too, and that’s a tragedy.

But most of the time, most researchers in the same fields as the revolutionaries said, “Oh, that makes sense!” Problems that had seemed insoluble suddenly became simple, or at least it was possible to see how there might be an elegant solution. Major discoveries spawned a host of medium-sized ones, each of which in turn spawned endless minor ones—and endless minor papers, academic bread and butter for when you can’t get steak and lobster. Everyone wins.

Those ideologues I mentioned above? They really, really want you to believe the narrative of ridicule. You might want to consider why.

Poujol 𝖱𝗈𝗌𝗍 ✅poujolrost@mstdn.jp
2024-05-14

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> @Sheril 🔗 mastodon.social/users/Sheril/s
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Pioneering #geologist & #oceanographer Marie #Tharp changed our understanding of the #ocean.

When Tharp sought a #geology job at Columbia in 1948, #women couldn’t go on #research ships. […]

Back then, many #scientists still assumed […] . Tharp figured out how to use #data to create sketches of the ocean floor. Her hand-drawn #maps helped develop #plate #tectonic theory.
ncei.noaa.gov/news/marie-tharp #science #history

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