#SGML

2025-06-03

[Перевод] Вся мощь открытого исходного кода в PostgreSQL

PostgreSQL — одна из самых популярных СУБД, и это во многом благодаря открытому исходному коду. В статье рассказывается о том, как открытость кода влияет на развитие PostgreSQL и создание сообщества вокруг неё.

habr.com/ru/companies/flant/ar

#open_source #postgresql #исходный_код #коммиты #commit #git #git_log #sgml #git_blame #source_code

2025-04-27

@itsthejoker Seriously, back in the late 1990s when I was an SGML/XML consultant, I told my then employer that I wasn't willing to work on documentation for weapons systems, and they respected that (even though those military contracts made up a huge portion of the available work at the time).

Fortunately, I got to work on a doc system for McDonnell-Douglas (later, Boeing) civilian airliners instead, and the consulting company did very well out of that, so win-win.

#nonViolence #xml #sgml

Michael Piotrowskimxp@mastodon.acm.org
2025-04-04

Does anyone happen to have a copy of:

Floyd, Michael. A Conversation with Charles F. Goldfarb. Web Techniques (Vol.3, Issue 11), pp.38–41, November, 1998

It used to be online, but has now disappeared, and the Internet Archive doesn’t have it either. I’d like to check a quote that I copied back then.

#XML #SGML #computerhistory

2024-11-26

Well, “Episode 21: Keynote — John McCarthy” actually has a recording and he gives that quote at timestamp 1:13:15:
oopsla.org/oopsla2007/index56d
oopsla.org/podcasts/Keynote_Jo

“When W3C decided not to use #LISP format but to imitate #SGML for that [it] showed a certain capacity to make mistakes” *laughter* “which they probably hadn't lost”

Conclusion: the first part is similar, but the second part of the original quote is unfamiliar.

Isn't the WWW a wonderful to be able to research this? #markupLanguages

2024-11-02

@david_megginson @HugoHeagren Currently, I use github.com/docbook/xslTNG which depends on the open source home edition of saxon XSLT processor to convert DocBook XML to HTML/ePub, and use #CSS based publishing softwares like vivliostyle.org or princexml.com/

There are zero actively maintained/usable on modern computers #SGML or #DSSSL processors known to me.

2024-10-28

El 28 de octubre de 1969, se presenta el SGML (Standard Generalized Markup Language) por la ANSI. El SGML es el precursor del HTML moderno

Jens Oliver Meiertj9t@mas.to
2024-10-11

The statement “`<input checkbox>` is per SGML rules equivalent to `<input type="checkbox">`, but HTML parsers treat it as `<input checkbox="">`” is…

#sgml #html

teledyn 𓂀teledyn@mstdn.ca
2024-09-24

@dx @sundogplanets

fwiw, I used #DocBook #SGML in #Emacs to generate LaTeX/LilyPond, even when Macmillan demanded I submit MSWord¹ docs, I'd just emit them as an output! Mind you, that was last century, but I'd still do it that way today, if I had to.
___
¹ I call those apps "font painters', or WYSIAYG (what you see is ALL you get

Jens Oliver Meiertj9t@mas.to
2024-07-23

Web browsers use #SGML parsers to parse #HTML:

benzogaga33 :verified:benzogaga33@mamot.fr
2024-07-16
Nathan Knowlerknowler@sunny.garden
2024-06-29

SHORTTAG syntax in SGML kinda reminds of Pug (et al.) which I love.

```
<title/Misinterpreted/
<p/Little-known SGML markup features/
```

From: htmlparser.info/introduction/

#ReadThePlatform #HTML #SGML

MicroBlog Castellanomicroblogc@paquita.masto.host
2024-06-17

Ejemplo de la necesidad de marcas <verse> en html.
masto.es/@machadobot/112631949

En poesía española, un verso puede continuar en párrafo o personaje distinto.
La iniciativa #TEI de #SGML incluía marcas <verse>, pero al hacer el "html semántico" (xhtml) se olvidó todo lo que los especialistas en lengua y literatura habían ido encontrando. El html/css es tan poco semántico como el #html 1.0.(+)

nemo™ 🇺🇦nemo@mas.to
2024-05-13

using #ed and #SGML to take notes xD hahah 🤣🤣🤣

2024-03-26

@callionica HTML before 4.0 was defined with SGML which gives it the flexibility of auto closing tags, but I doubt any #SGML / #DSSSL implementation is still useable today and if people would still be willing to learn it after the language specification has been stale for a while

Matthiasmarix1
2024-03-21

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Standard.

As I possibly need to do soon something with .
DITA which is based on XML with some DTD is as like as HTML derived from SGML. In fact HTML is a simplified SGML.
I was aware that was developed at Boing. They invented it for Airplane documentation.

Today I learned that SGML is based on GML: "General Markup Language" from IBM.
But maybe simply "Golfarb, Mosher, Lorie": the engineers back in the 1960s.

2024-02-23

@balladeer

This actually sounds like a good use case for #SGML. I'm pretty sure you could define all, or at least most, of Markdown syntax using the SHORTREF feature. From there you could add any additional metadata tags (possibly with their own custom SHORTREF syntax) you want into the grammar

SGML is a bit of a beast however, it can be daunting to get started with it... :blobfoxthink:

Michael Piotrowskimxp@mastodon.acm.org
2024-02-16

What’s especially interesting is that Don Chamberlin isn’t just some random IBMer (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_D). And he wasn’t only involved with Quill SGML editor, but also with the Quilt XML query language, which heavily influenced XQuery (he was one of the editors of the W3C XQuery 1.0 recommendation).

#XMLPrague #REXX #SGML #HistoryOfComputing #DocumentEngineering

Michael Piotrowskimxp@mastodon.acm.org
2024-02-16

In my talk for the 2019 #XMLPrague paper “History and the Future of Markup” archive.xmlprague.cz/2019/file I speculated about the use of #REXX as a language for #SGML tree manipulation.

Last night I “discovered” that REXX had indeed been used for this at IBM, and Goldfarb knew about it: namely in the experimental Quill editor running on an experimental windowing system on an experimental operating system on the IBM RT PC… (see, e.g., doi.org/10.1145/62506.62524)

#HistoryOfComputing #DocumentEngineering

Presentation slide titled “SGML is a cultural artifact”:

– To the best of my knowledge, there are no “good” (i.e., technical) reasons for these properties of SGML.
   
“The historical origins of SGML as a technique for adding marks to texts has left a legacy of complexities and difficulties which hinder its wide acceptance.” (Price, 1998)

– (Counterfactual history: Charles Goldfarb meets Mike Cowlishaw at IBM and Rexx is integrated into SGML as a language for tree manipulation.)

– This was proven true by XML: it is fascinating how quickly it was adopted and how an extremely rich ecosystem developed once many of these complexities had been discarded.
2024-02-06

waking up and wondering if #omittag / #shorttag could maybe let me make a DTD for pronouns, since it's already the default NET delimiter
#sgml

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