Yeah, I know. Crypto is evil.
Still, this conversation made me think of NameCoin, which looks like a good alternative to DNS. Reading up on it now:
#namecoin
The situation with #Guppe wouldn't happen if it was really decentralized aka #p2p fault tolerant tech. Like #Namecoin , .ens IPNS #IPFS, or #nostr #pubky #ZeroNet
@dandylover1
ipns://seedit.eth plebbit.com hashchan.org are interesting.
Meanwhile #Friendica & #Hubzilla have some groups too.
also shout out to @newsmast , they host few communities, check them out.
I've tried fedigroups.social & it's hard to use, unintutive & obscure. I see just a mastodon server there. It is not clear & obvsious from main home page how to list groups, posts inside groups, group members.
With such trend no wonder why people look back to #Usenet. However I think #XMPP is more usable (it does have groups and proto social network inside too)
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Gathering the people involved till now in this #fediMarket question to create some impulse and general discussion about this topic.
This is not a proposal but some thoughts and unfinished considerations, looking for some input or to become at least some output itself.
As @thomas pointed out there is #flohmarkt, as it looks like coded by @grindhold@23.social .
It has apparently the goal to be all the contrary to a centralized system but aims to be more like a local give away, sales and advertisement platform. Actualy it's not an auction like platform, witch is quite an interesting take. Still looking thru the ccc-Media video presentation trying to get a grip on it. As of now I didn't get the local restriction. Not sure if the restriction is mend to be by IP of the users, the IP of the platform of users or just some kind of instance restriction.
The #GNUtaler discussion in this topic points to the general issue not only about payment but also about the system of trust that can be or could be implemented.
It is and was quite interesting to see how the #ebay concept didn't catch up in Latin America because there was way to much fraud and the only thing that could catch up was some kind of sales platform like #mercadolibre that actually turned out to become some kind of national advertisement platform for professional sellers.
What did tho work in an astonishing way, and let's please leave aside for a moment some issues bitcoin does involve, is the concept #localbitcoins came up with, actually as well as the famous #Silkroad example. Sites that managed to create some kind of trustless exchange. The particularity of localbitcoins tho was that they invented a reference system where people actually even meet each other and backed up their existence by some how proving each others identity. Ultimately the reference and reputation system of localbitcoins, reputation out of completed transactions and comments about them, as well as in person verification, created a functional working environment, something that till today is looking for a match out there.
All these a real critical issues. And perhaps not only for trade but to a certain extent for our #socialWeb, our #fediVerse itself. On one hand we have commercial transactions that can involve fraud and on the other personal information that also can be exposed to fraud and worth. In our decentralized setup this is even somehow more complicated as fraudsters can restart at any given moment from anywhere else, while at the same time reputation on mid and long term should and can matter.
So, what we do have is on one hand the "real me" function implemented for example by mastodon, and on the other we do have the signing capabilities of blockchains themselves. In particular of #electrum wallets, a decentralized wallet system that was created and is implemented not only by bitcoin but a lot more blockchains that want to show off with a real simple decentralized #FOSS wallet system.
To get this straight, this is not about any coin or acquisition of any coin at all, but the simple technical availability of installing a simple long standing proven decentralized FOSS software that has the capability to sign or prove the correctness of any kind of text string. Nobody needs to have a single cent of a coin, or connect to anywhere, to create a wallet and with it a wallet address that than can sign a text. In other words, any wallet address is an ID that can't be impersonated without the respective password.
So, it doesn't matter where for example the ID "bc1qp8xla8me0ykkh5wzrvkjgtdnuma0galep9cedu" as a profile name shows up, or which profile claims to represent the ID "bc1qp8xla8me0ykkh5wzrvkjgtdnuma0galep9cedu", unless it is able to show off with a text, for example:
"I do have access to the signing keys for this ID" signed correctly with that wallet address, that profile could be considered an impostor.
To create show cases for this idea, for this concept, there is on one hand the friendica fediVerse site:
inversion.tupambae.com/
The profile "blockchain" for example uses the just mentioned specific ID:
inversion.tupambae.com/profile…
as some kind of "none human readable address".
Than there is the site:
1dhfsbbdpv4wshuyc6197nymcfeqqk…
The subdomain name itself is a first generation bitcoin address that has been used on the web and even if the capital letter detail is not in use, references are found for example by google.
That site hosts a project profile that again uses a bitcoin #SEGWIT address as an ID:
1dhfsbbdpv4wshuyc6197nymcfeqqk…
Actually the bc1 segwit system is not case senitive, in other words no capital letters in those ID's.
That profile itself is a reference to a mastodon profile that uses it to claim it's "real me" identity as "btc SEGWIT verified":
mastodon.uy/@tierranietos
Again there is not only no need for to involve bitcoins or cents of bitcoins (satoshis) in this. Even bitcoin itself doesn't have to be used, as there are lot's of electrum wallets out there. They do tho only verify texts signed with the same coin wallet. There is for example a #namecoin electrum wallet, a first generation coin invented to create a decentralized URL system, as well as there is for example a #faircoin electrum wallet. Considering all the altcoins created out there, faircoin at least is/was an interesting option that apparently failed to a certain extent due to the intent or claim by some in the community to be tradable on exchanges.
Again, this is not about any coin at all but about the fact that we do have simple unique ID's at hand we can verify and we can use to create reputation and or invent some system of trust and reference on desktop and mobile.
Than there is the consideration of guaranties and identities in the middle that allow escrow as implemented by localbitcoins.
This escrow issue would involve somehow coins/tokens, at least as some kind of guaranty until the transaction is finished. Be it as a general input to prove the seriousness of an involvement, an offer or even a publication. In terms of bitcoin itself, the second level segwit technology allows the creation of circles of trust without even publishing transactions to the main bitcoin #blockchain.
@MagickVibia@pagan.plus
@norezervationz@tootworld.social
@thisismissem @annewalk
@resl @NGIZero
Джереми Рэнд - Присвоение понятных имён адресам Monero с помощью приватного подхода Namecoin
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tuVoIvl-ovI
#xmr #monero #cryptocurrency #перевод #monerokonferenco #namecoin
Oh wow, today I learned that #Namecoin is still a thing. Apparently, 3 of their affiliates were at #38C3 and will attend #fosdem2025 .
This really surprises me. Although, there is no reason to believe that this project is dead, I am pretty surprised that they still announce news on their website.
Cool, cool ...
The video of my #Fosdem talk, "The first 13 years of blockchain name systems" is up! You can skip the first minute since the lecture really begins after that.
It talks about #namecoin, #handshake, and #ENS, but mostly tries to tell the story of this very young scene.
My talk about Blockchain name systems, like namecoin or ENS, got accepted to #Fosdem 2024!
@ulrike It's a very old idea, #Namecoin was 11 years ago. https://www.namecoin.org/ https://www.afnic.fr/en/observatory-and-resources/expert-papers/nfts-and-domain-names-friends-and-partners/
@Erix en cuanto a las apps #p2p
- estan las de intercambio de archivos, que deberían evolucionar a integrar #anonimato por defecto y así conseguir romper con la actual persecución por "derechos de autor"
- estan las de servicios, como #yacy, #tahoe o #twister, #tox, #namecoin que tienen como función el deveolvernos la internet a los ciudadanos y abandonar el concepto del modelo-mentalidad "cliente-servidor", pero lamentablemente la mayoria no nos damos cuenta de eso y preferimos seguir consumiendo "servicios" que nos mantienen esclavos de "modelos de negocio"
Lamentablemente las apps p2p en general exigen que seamos solidarios con nuestros recursos y les entreguemos una parte de ellos (tiempo, ancho de banda, constancia) y es aquí donde terminamos por abandonar y volver a la comodidad de usar startpeig o blogespot o tuitre o guatsap...
En el momento, hay casi 1.000 nodos yacy conocidos (sin contar los que son usados exclusivamente en intranets) y menos de 10 de ellos han superado las 50 millones de entradas, pero mas bien especializados en algunos temas... en lo personal he conseguido indexar poco mas de 1 millon de entradas, equivalentes a casi 50 sitios webs... asi que presumo que entre los primeros deben haber principalmente nodos de bibliotecas o cosas así...
La pobreza de resultados en yacy esta directamente relacionada con la cantidad de nodos... y al parecer yacy es capaz de integrarse armoniosamente con el metabuscador searx, asi que no me sorprendería que algunas de esas instancias tambien incluyeran como fuente a algun nodo yacy.
Por mi parte seguire por algun tiempo promoviendo su uso y ayudare en su traducción (ojala todas las lineas).
@tbss
- estan las de intercambio de archivos, que deberían evolucionar a integrar #anonimato por defecto y así conseguir romper con la actual persecución por "derechos de autor"
- estan las de servicios, como #yacy, #tahoe o #twister, #tox, #namecoin que tienen como función el deveolvernos la internet a los ciudadanos y abandonar el concepto del modelo-mentalidad "cliente-servidor", pero lamentablemente la mayoria no nos damos cuenta de eso y preferimos seguir consumiendo "servicios" que nos mantienen esclavos de "modelos de negocio"
Lamentablemente las apps p2p en general exigen que seamos solidarios con nuestros recursos y les entreguemos una parte de ellos (tiempo, ancho de banda, constancia) y es aquí donde terminamos por abandonar y volver a la comodidad de usar startpeig o blogespot o tuitre o guatsap...
En el momento, hay casi 1.000 nodos yacy conocidos (sin contar los que son usados exclusivamente en intranets) y menos de 10 de ellos han superado las 50 millones de entradas, pero mas bien especializados en algunos temas... en lo personal he conseguido indexar poco mas de 1 millon de entradas, equivalentes a casi 50 sitios webs... asi que presumo que entre los primeros deben haber principalmente nodos de bibliotecas o cosas así...
La pobreza de resultados en yacy esta directamente relacionada con la cantidad de nodos... y al parecer yacy es capaz de integrarse armoniosamente con el metabuscador searx, asi que no me sorprendería que algunas de esas instancias tambien incluyeran como fuente a algun nodo yacy.
Por mi parte seguire por algun tiempo promoviendo su uso y ayudare en su traducción (ojala todas las lineas).
@tbss
@c3po sere mas pesimista aun
#Twister no creo que haya muerto porque fuera una mala idea, sino por la falta de interes publico, la publicidad
A #freenet y #TahoeLAFS no creo que sean malas soluciones lo que las mantiene reducidas a un nucleo mas bien de coders/admins
#Zeronet tambien era una idea interesante o lo que en su momento intento #namecoin de ampliar y romper con el centralismo del DNS y los nombres de dominio...
La publicidad solo viene de la mano de quienes tienen los u$d
@sl1200
#Twister no creo que haya muerto porque fuera una mala idea, sino por la falta de interes publico, la publicidad
A #freenet y #TahoeLAFS no creo que sean malas soluciones lo que las mantiene reducidas a un nucleo mas bien de coders/admins
#Zeronet tambien era una idea interesante o lo que en su momento intento #namecoin de ampliar y romper con el centralismo del DNS y los nombres de dominio...
La publicidad solo viene de la mano de quienes tienen los u$d
@sl1200
@noticias otro absurdo provocado por las mierdas de #patentes y licencias
El #DNS descentralizado fue lanzado por #Namecoin hace mas de 5 años
Y ahora los degenrados de #Nokia lo registran en la oficina de patentes
¿Alguien puede "justificar" este desaguisado?
PUTAS PATENTES SON EL CANCER DE NUESTRA SOCIEDAD
@Laconicif it would, yes! although I am thinking maybe something like #Namecoin or #ENS (Ethereum Name System) would be better. they each have their own TLD so there is less likely to be any clashes with other alternative name resolution systems that people might be using
It would be great if someone were to make a quick-and-easy install script that anyone can run on a server to get a DNS resolver set up that can resolve to any of those blockchains depending on the TLD (i.e. if it's .eth try ENS, if it's .bit try Namecoin, if it's neither try #Handshake or #OpenNIC (not a blockchain))
It would be great if someone were to make a quick-and-easy install script that anyone can run on a server to get a DNS resolver set up that can resolve to any of those blockchains depending on the TLD (i.e. if it's .eth try ENS, if it's .bit try Namecoin, if it's neither try #Handshake or #OpenNIC (not a blockchain))
@Moon @xianc78 @alex @NEETzsche @silverpill why are you trying to reinvent the wheel? #Namecoin solved this more than a decade ago. No bloated blockchain, it just does one thing and does it right.
This video is talking about #Namecoin , and I'm starting to LOVE IT
https://youtu.be/b-sWa2YzJjE
Tiens.. une autre expérience qui vise à créer une sorte d'autorité d'attribution et de certification de noms de domaine mais de manière décentralisée (de pair-à-pair)
https://handshake.org/
... ça ressemble pas mal au projet #Namecoin il me semble.
Il existe même une sorte de résolveur #DNS ou #HDNS ( https://www.hdns.io/ )
Исследователь два года молчал об уязвимости в Bitcoin в целях безопасности #биткойн, #криптовалюта, #уязвимость, #INVDoS, #Decred, #Litecoin, #Namecoin https://www.securitylab.ru/news/512058.php https://twitter.com/SecurityLabnews/status/1305403419767828481/photo/1
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