#Longtermist

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2025-04-05

@LillyHerself

Mike who thinks that even his own trans daughter has lost her value for humanity, as she cannit fulfill her biological destiny anymore, for instance?

In earlier times, what you mention would've been very much in line with , too.

And if you think of ' believe of making a multi-planetary species, that is going to cost hundreds if billions.
We cannot support "suckers."

Said to say, but here we are.

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2025-02-15

@dangillmor

You're absolutely right on track.
For everyone belonging to the community, in particucar 's philosophies, a few million is no real problem for its acolytes.

mastodon.social/@HistoPol/1139

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2025-01-17


@pojntfx
"s CEO will be at the inauguration of the first convicted-fellon president-elect, jointly with the fascist , .

As you know from your history classes, what is the most important strategy in the rise of fascism?--The of society (.)

With having joined the fray this week, the unholy alliance of them and the , is priceless for them.

@stavpup

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2025-01-16

@noondlyt

's final days?

Let's hope not.

In my view, that would be or one if his sect members getting control of this entertaining transplant.

Next year, we will be able to quote one of 's jesters:

“We have taken him out of the frying-pan, and dropped him straight in the fire”

(Decameron, Second Day, first story, trans. G. H. McWilliam).

@altbot

3 colorful my dressed, medieval jesters.

Source:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/5e/5a/e9/5e5ae96196430108edd39f091612aa72.jpg
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2024-09-11

@Snowshadow @lucybeahere

True.
Now, as he always managed to not take center stage, according to the article (apart from the Nobel prize,) he cannot possibly be a narcissist, can he?

So, me not having read anything about his personal life, could he be a like Musk?

2024-03-09
David Noble builds on the work of White and Ovitt to offer an account of what he terms “the religion of technology” which amounts to a pervasive intermingling of religious concerns with the project of technology as a well as a tendency to link the quest for transcendence to technology.
From L.M. Sacasas's blog: https://thefrailestthing.com/2012/02/22/christianity-and-the-history-of-technology-part-one/ titled Christianity and the History of Technology, Part One

Sacasas has a newer Substack that goes into more recent events: https://theconvivialsociety.substack.com/p/secularization-comes-for-the-religion-6df . There are some great references in this newsletter, including American Technological Sublime by David Nye.
Nye tells a fascinating story about how Americans routinely experienced the advent of new technologies as encounters with the sublime. Not all technologies, of course, but Nye documents how technologies of a certain scale and dynamism elicited feelings of awe and wonder that could easily be described as religious in nature. Nye considers, for example, first encounters with the railroad, the factory, the Hoover Dam, the electrified cityscape, the Golden Gate Bridge, and, later, the atomic bomb and the launch of a Saturn V rocket during the Apollo program.
Nye shows that the experience of the technological sublime was incorporated into elaborate civic ceremonies and rituals that celebrated not only the technological marvel at hand, but also human ingenuity and the body politic.
The broad argument is that technological development is a religion in the United States. This is not meant as a metaphor, but as a literal fact: how Americans treat technology is not like a religious activity, it literally is one. I think this goes a long way towards explaining why we're so weird about #tech here and now and especially why there are actual cults formed around it. Noble calls this phenomenon the "religion of technology" and spells out the connections. Sacasas weaves this together with modern developments.

Meghan O'Gieblyn makes these connections with modern developments as well, for instance in this talk God in the machine: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTXleWp5fUA . So has Émile P. Torres: https://www.xriskology.com

#TESCREAL #longtermist #EffectiveAltruism #AI #xrisk

cc @timnitGebru@dair-community.social @xriskology@mastodon.bida.im
2024-03-09
NIST staffers revolt against expected appointment of ‘effective altruist’ AI researcher to US AI Safety Institute
The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is facing an internal crisis as staff members and scientists have threatened to resign over the anticipated appointment of Paul Christiano to a crucial, though non-political, position at the agency’s newly-formed US AI Safety Institute (AISI), according to at least two sources with direct knowledge of the situation, who asked to remain anonymous.
https://venturebeat.com/ai/nist-staffers-revolt-against-potential-appointment-of-effective-altruist-ai-researcher-to-us-ai-safety-institute/

Good for them! #longtermist / #EffectiveAltruist / #TESCREAL people are cultists and have no place in government. They're obsessed with fantasies like #xrisk that are disconnected from reality and distract from the actual harms #AI is already causing here on Earth. It's precisely the same phenomenon as holding endless discussions about how many angels can dance on the head of a pin while ignoring that people are suffering. It sounds like Secretary of Commerce Gina Raimondo might be a Kool-aid drinker herself or is sympathetic to the viewpoints of the Kool-aid drinkers.

From her Wikipedia entry:
Gina Marie Raimondo...an American businesswoman, lawyer, politician, and venture capitalist
Emphasis mine.

It's alarming that this is even happening, and you know the fix is in because they tried to rush the appointment without informing staffers ahead of time. I hope #NIST staffers prevail.

cc: @timnitGebru@dair-community.social @xriskology@mastodon.bida.im
Ecologia Digitaljosemurilo@mato.social
2024-02-02

"The one consistent aspect about this deterioration of the industry is their inability to think about the larger context, specifically about the various social contracts that govern #tech’s position in society.
They might see themselves as benevolent shepherds of humanity’s future, esp. the creepy #longtermist types, but by & large, they are power-hungry libertarian assholes.
This is why they leave scorched earth behind."

baldurbjarnason.com/2023/tech-

2024-01-03
P(doom), the "probability" that #AI or #AGI will doom humanity, is a quantity that #longtermist / #TESCREAL zealots seem to care a lot about. It is the quintessential example of the reasoning error that ecological rationality calls out. There is no way to quantify the likelihood of "doom", no matter how you define that word, and it's pure nonsense to try or pretend you have. Doom is a large world phenomenon. The people credited with inventing the frameworks and techniques that allow you to even think in terms of P(doom), like Leonard Savage, explicitly called out just this sort of application as preposterous.

Nevertheless, US Senate majority leader Chuck Schumer invited a bunch of tech CEOs and technologists, among whom numbered many #longermist and similar kinds of zealots, to opine on their personal assessments of P(doom) in a legitimate hearing in front of the US Congress (there's good reporting on this here: https://www.techpolicy.press/us-senate-ai-insight-forum-tracker/ ).

I lack the words to express what I feel every time I'm reminded of this. Not good things.
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2023-11-21

@TheGuardian

(5/5)

...You are asking yourself, "how likely is it that all of this is going to happen?

Honestly? Unlikely.
But as the is fighting for its survival (at least 2-3 billion of its specimen, some may survive,) we all don't have a choice but to try.

's vision of humanity's future in space does clearly not include these billions. Besides, it isn't working.
So, we only have got one planet and need to get our collective act together.

//

FeralRobotsFeralRobots
2023-11-20

Whatever happens we should always remember that any or rationale offers is, first & foremost, a rationalization for doing what he thinks he needs to to get what he wants. , , the whole bundle really, are all thirst-traps for sociopaths & narcissists.

FeralRobotsFeralRobots
2023-11-15

Reminder that when talk about What We Owe To The Future, they're assuming we don't actually owe anything to anyone who will actually be living in the current sense. They only care about hypothetical transhumans who would be fully digital. In the view, we owe nothing to anybody biologically alive, now or at any time in the future.

FeralRobotsFeralRobots
2023-10-30

I've said it before but I guess I need to keep saying it: Any discussion of needs to be very clear that the "future people" are entirely hypothetical, & the probability of their existence in most contemporary scenarios is astronomically improbable.

Similar caveats apply for all the arguments I've heard - & in general needs to be applied whenever you're looking at , as well.

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2023-10-12
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2023-09-17

👉* Deep Dive: 's Dangerous Beliefs*👈

(5/n)

...who was very much in the of until 2019.

👉CW: You should not read on if you are suffering from depression or the like.👈

truthdig.com/articles/before-i

//

FeralRobotsFeralRobots
2023-08-31

I had no idea Emile was a former True Believer - has me seeing their work in a new light.

truthdig.com/articles/before-i

2023-07-22

Learning about the #Longtermist philosophical movement.

Why does the dominator culture always break everything into pieces then either/or those pieces?

First Nations philosophy is Remember the Generations. honor & recognize the sacrifices & efforts of those who came before so your current decisions will benefit current AND future generations simultaneously - and be worthy of similar honor. It's not an either/or thing.

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These philosophers argue that we should focus our attention on the deep future and act according to its needs. The idea is that the potential size of humanity in the millions of years to come is almost infinitely larger than the world’s current population and we ought to prioritise those trillions of unborn humans over the more short-term needs of the billions actually alive today.
HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2023-07-09

@dansinker

(3/n)

...has just been taken from the internet's general access and none-paying subscribers interactions have been severely limited, the book launch comes at an inopportune point in time.
Thus, however, could be fixed by having opening accounts for the characters here in the Fediverse, too.
As API's are either not yet implemented (IG, ) or boycotted by its misanthropic, "" owner (Birdsite), this would probably mean...

(2)
onlyinyourstate.com/alaska/dar

FeralRobotsFeralRobots
2023-06-23

@pzmyers@octodon.social '93-ish I remember this mad roboticist I used to know proposed to me that we could just replace all that junk DNA with 'knowledge of French' or 'encyclopedias' or something. I didn't even know where to start. (I'm fairly sure he'd be a if he's still kicking around - he was in his 50s back then.)

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