#lisp Kent M Pitman visual demo of 1984 #lispm Cross Referenced Editing Facility program for OpenUniversity #programming

https://toobnix.org/w/jWdWsrBLCFkFQYrfzbzCR8

#lispyGopherClimate Sunday morning in Europe with #lisp # live @kentpitman

Going over proto #emacs, #cref, #lispm #computerScience #softwareEngineering #GUI history ! Ask questions in #lisp on #irc now please !

https://toobnix.org/w/gXLXQqxf5MYg1NDF2Ua6oA 15 minutes to live.

#Archive: https://toobnix.org/w/jWdWsrBLCFkFQYrfzbzCR8

https://communitymedia.video/w/h1jdbHm8xTj5VEDuCWAbBW
#lispyGopherClimate #technology #podcast #weekly

featuring @kentpitman @ramin_hal9001 @jns
Longterm #reliability , the #climateCrisis , technology and knowledge

Kent has found the source to his Cross referenced editing facility from Open University #lisp #lispm example.

#scifi #books with this theme? Ending of Cats Cradle?

On the #art side check, @prahou 's #unix_surrealism, https://photronic.art

Happy #lambdaMOO year! 35 years! https://lambda.moo.mud.org as always.

@weekend_editor @charliemac @symbolics @restorante @crandel @Zenie @weavejester correct, I do recall, ‘sheet’ was the core abstraction in the #LispM window system. #CLIM made that a first-class concept, and #McCLIM still carries it forward today

@amszmidt @restorante @demiguru @crandel @alerque@mastodon.social @weavejester

> And the editor on #LispM is called ZWEI.

Well, technically... :-)

ZWEI (Zwei Was Eine Initially) was the infrastructure for writing editors, while the actual editor on the lispm was called Zmacs. In practice, nobody messed with Zwei unless they were extending Zmacs.

I have no experience of Eine, or at least no memory of it.

And yes, Zmacs was different from Gnu Emacs, which was different from all the other Emacsen before it.

@restorante > Emacs in Unix possibly is different with Emacs (EINE, ZWEINE) on Lisp Machine.

Absolute nonsense. Stop confusing GNU Emacs, an implementation of Emacs, plus many other things.

And the editor on #LispM is called ZWEI.

@demiguru @crandel @alerque @Zenie@piaille.fr @weavejester

@demiguru @restorante @crandel @alerque @Zenie@piaille.fr @weavejester

There is so much confusion in this thread that I don't know where to even start.

And no, #LispM did NOT expose the "whole stack as live, editable Lisp".

Emacs and GNU Emacs are also worth keeping separate when talking about these topics.

Current work in #LispMachine world is to implement the bus interface for the CADR 4 project (https://github.com/ams/cadr4).

That is so we can add a spy interface .. #LispM #MIT #LM-3

@vv I wish I could find those programs and restore them. 😞

There are plenty of fun ones, like the 3D airplane model.

#LispMachine #LispM

CADR4 #MIT #CADR #LispM #LispMachine current status is we are optimizing the simulation runtime (it takes about 10 minutes to run through almost all the boot PROM to the point we are accessing memory -- which isn't fun when you want to work on accessing memory).

#Lisp #VHDL #HDL

https://github.com/ams/cadr4

Someone should write some #MIT #CADR microcode and supporting code to make it possible to run #Interlisp / #Medley on the #MIT #LispMachine #LispM

CADR4 #MIT #CADR #LispMachine #LispM is now running almost through the whole boot PROM!

Now work to add disk, and memory .. and a bus.

Agentic one promoting the #MIT #CADR #LispMachine #LispM.

CADR4 project is steaming a head. Things have started going through the boot PROM... #LispMachine #LispM #CADR

https://github.com/ams/cadr4

@lfa https://tumbleweed.nu/lm-3 #LispMachine revolution is nigh! #CADR #LispM.

#MIT #CADR #Lisp #Machine #LispM hacking gone wild!

@lfa I've been restoring / working on the #MIT #CADR #LispMachine #LispM for .. 20+ years now. I've never had the real thing, there are maybe four machines left in the world. N/A?

Two hackers going at it ... https://github.com/ams/cadr4/commits/master/ #LispM #LispMachine #MIT #CADR #FPGA #VHDL

Bootstrapping #Rust is slower than recompiling all of the #LispMachine #Lispm system four times.

@stevel A full time job has never stopped me hacking on #LispM — but it would be fun to do it full time :-)