#pendisplay

2024-08-11
200 bucks ??? #duetdisplay \ #pendisplay

You want more than I payed for my #ipad ?

Who are you? #apple ?!
2024-08-10
Hmmm..

I think I like the paddy now.

I might even be able to use it as a cheap semi #wacom / #xppen #pendisplay

For 140bucks thats quite the value 🙃
2024-08-10
But #vroid and #ibis yay

Might get #procreate and #gravitysketch

Maybe an App to use #ipad as #drawingtablet / #pendisplay

This is a doodle n Model device nothing more.

(I‘d not have gotten it if #android warnt so shunned by d3vs)
#stuffao

The #keyboard sucks.
Maybe install a new one ?
(Another #feature #apple shamelessly stole from #jailbreak Community and #android lol)
Ibis n VRoid yayiOS Keyboard suuuucks
jfml - Jonas Laugsjfml@mastodon.art
2024-08-08

As an update for anyone who's interested: I since rebased to #Fedora #Kinoite after some amazing people from the #Bazzite Discord found out that there something seems to different on #Bazzite / #Ublue compared to Fedora #atomic when it comes to #Huion #tablet drivers (1).

On Kinoite it works out of the box on #KDE #Wayland in system settings! 😘 ✨

(1) github.com/ublue-os/main/issue

#linux #drawing #kamvas #PenDisplay

2024-03-25
Shichimi − David Revoy on Peertubeshichimi@peertube.touhoppai.moe
2023-11-17
2023-08-10

Testei hoje um pen display Huion de 16 pol.

Conectei ao laptop, abri o Photoshop e fiz alguns esboços.

Sensibilidade à pressão, lag, tudo certinho, mas ainda prefiro um tablet com caneta. Fiquei toda hora tentando usar os dedos para dar zoom e arrastar a imagem (sem sucesso, porque a tela só aceita input da caneta).

#PenDisplay #Huion

2023-01-26

Anyone have a Huion Kamvas Pro 24 (4K)? What are your experiences with it?

#Huion #PenDisplay #MastoArt

petapixel (unofficial)petapixel@ծմակուտ.հայ
2022-01-11

Huion Kamvas Pro 24 Review: A Flagship 4K Pen Display for a Lot Less

The Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) is Huion's flagship pen display: a high-resolution graphics display that delivers most of the benefits of a Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 at about half the price. In the two months I've spent using it on-and-off in preparation for this review, I've come to three important conclusions: (1) this is an excellent product, (2) a large 4K pen display is the best way to edit your photos, and (3) I can't realistically use this display as my daily driver.

Before unpacking the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) from its box and setting it up on my desk, I'd forgotten how much I love editing photos on a big pen display that takes up your whole field of vision and gives you such granular control. I'd also forgotten how frustrating it is to have your entire desk taken up by a single-use device that's so big you have to pack it away every time you're done using it, only to set it back up a few days or a few hours later when it's time to edit another shoot.

This has nothing to do with the product's performance, but it's important to point out as a piece of buying advice from the get-go, because anyone who is considering a 24-inch graphics display has to understand what they're getting into.

If you have the room on your desk or you're able to set this up as a functional secondary display by mounting it on very flexible monitor arm, then great -- I don't want to play down the benefits of using a big high-quality display as your canvas. But if you live in a smaller home where you edit on your kitchen table or your tiny desk is already being eaten by your current photo editing display, then you should probably consider something smaller like the XP-Pen Artist Pro 16 or the Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) instead.

Alas, I fall into the second category. So for the past couple of months, I had to haul this thing out pretty much every time I wanted to edit a photo shoot. Fortunately, the actual editing experience was excellent, and now that I'm done complaining about my desk space woes, I'm here to tell you that the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) is an excellent pen display that's worth every penny. In fact, I think it's worth a lot more pennies than Huion is charging.

Design and Build Quality

The design and build quality of the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) is definitely "flagship" grade. It's a surprisingly heavy display that feels solid and features a clean "minimalist" design aesthetic that borrows a lot from Wacom's Cintiq Pro 24. Actually, let's be honest: it basically is a Cintiq Pro 24 with slightly thinner bezels. Other than the display technology itself, which we'll talk about in a second, the two products are extremely similar in both good ways and bad.

In the pros column: the display housing is well-built, with convenient flip-out "feet" built into the back and the ability to connect with HDMI + USB, DisplayPort + USB, or go single-cable via USB-C. There's also a two-port USB Type-A hub and an audio port that you can use to plug headphones or speakers directly into the pen display. In the cons column: neither display comes with built-in express keys, opting for a design the company describes as "minimalist." There's also no adjustable stand included in the box, so you're stuck with the 20° drawing angle provided by the built-in feet.

Like the Cintiq Pro 24, the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) makes up for the lack of built-in function keys by shipping with an external remote the company calls the Mini Keydial KD100. It's a wireless express key remote with 18 buttons and a mechanical dial that can switch between three different settings:

The Keydial lacks the solid metal build quality of Wacom's ExpressKey remote or Xencelabs' Quick Keys remote, but I actually found it to be more functional. Because it's designed to mimmic the number pad on a full-sized keyboard, it was much easier to get used to the button placement and use the remote without constantly looking over to see which button I was actually pressing. It's also worth noting that an external "remote" like this is more convenient for left-handed users.

All of that said, I still prefer pen displays with built-in function keys, and I like the way Huion and XP Pen have tackled the left-handed issue before. Both the regular Kamvas Pro 24 and XP-Pen's Artist 24 Pro feature dual rows of function keys: one on each side of the display. Neither of these older displays can match the quality of the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K), but I find it more immersive when I don't have to keep track of an external remote that takes up room on my desk (or display), uses up one of my USB-A ports for the wireless receiver, and needs to be charged from time to time.

Overall, I'm happy with the design and the build quality of the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K), especially the included Keydial remote. I just wish Huion had done a bit of innovating instead of sticking so close to Wacom's Cintiq Pro design language. For all of the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K)'s technical improvements over the regular Kamvas Pro 24, the choice to go with such a sleek, minimalist design arguably takes away a little usability, and there are no exciting or quirky design elements to make it stand out.

Fortunately, this feeling that the display isn't anything "special" tends to fade away the moment you turn it on and lay eyes on the gorgeous, 4K QLED display.

Display Quality

The Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) covers 95.9% of the AdobeRGB gamut (left) and 86.7% of DCI-P3 (right).

The most important and impressive piece of technology packed inside the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) pen display is the display itself: a QLED (AKA "Quantum Dot") 4K panel with 10-bit color, impressive color accuracy and gamut coverage, and "support for HDR."

Huion really emphasizes the HDR support, a first for a pen display, but I've put it in quotes for a reason. With a maximum brightness of 220 nits and no local dimming, the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) isn't equipped for proper HDR editing. We at PetaPixel have maintained for quite some time that anything below 600 nits isn't really HDR, as it would not be bright enough to provide proper contrast against the darks of an image. It's nice to be able to view HDR content, and the increased contrast of a QLED display helps with that, but this feature is 80% marketing and only 20% useful.

What actually stands out about this display is the gamut coverage, color accuracy, uniformity, and the amount of control that Huion gives you through its on-screen menus. These are the features that make this one of the best panels you'll find in a pen display.

In terms of gamut coverage, the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) hit 99.7% sRGB, 95.9% Adobe RGB, and 86.7% DCI-P3 in our testing, with a maximum Delta E of 2.2 and an average Delta E of just over 0.6.

This is a very solid performance, especially when you combine it with the extensive on-screen controls that Huion's latest Kamvas Pro displays provide. Just like we saw in the Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K), the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) features on-screen menus that allow you to dial in brightness, contrast, and individual RGB gains so you can properly calibrate your white point.

I'd love to have a built-in LUT for proper hardware calibration -- a feature we've yet to see in a pen display -- but this is definitely a step in the right direction.

Once I adjusted the RGB gains to match D65, I was able to get the measured vs expected white point Delta E below 1.2 and produce a perceptual match between this and the ASUS PA32UCG that I use for serious photo editing, making for a seamless experience when transitioning from mouse-and-keyboard editing in Lightroom to pen-on-display editing in Photoshop.

The screen was also impressively uniform. We ran a 35-patch test (7×5) and found only 13 patches that fell below the recommended tolerance (yellow outline) and none that fell below nominal tolerance. I've tested several "creator" displays that performed worse than this, so credit where credit is due: for color-critical work, the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) makes the grade.

Uniformity test results for the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K). Click for full resolution image.

The last display feature worth noting doesn't have to do with performance, but usability. The screen on the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) is fully laminated -- meaning the glass surface is fused to the display to reduce parallax -- and Huion opted for anti-glare etched glass instead of the cheaper anti-glare coatings you find on many displays. This makes for a nice pen feel with a little bit of bite, and it doesn't cause the kind of rainbows/haloing you experience with some anti-glare coatings. Both are necessary features for a flagship pen display, and it's nice to see Huion didn't cut any corners.

It's safe to say I was surprised by the quality of the new QLED display. Many of the large pen displays I've used or tested in the past suffered from poor contrast, mediocre resolution, crappy gamut coverage, and/or color artifacts caused by the anti-glare coatings. None of this was the case with the Huion display, and while I would have loved to see a peak brightness of 400 or even 600 nits to help justify the claim that this supports HDR content, as a photo editor who hardly ever touches the HDR switch anyway, I never felt let down by this display.

As Huion tries to expand its user base by wooing photo and video editors, upgrading to a high-quality, color-accurate panel and giving users more control over their display settings was a very smart move.

Stylus Quality

The stylus is where Huion has done the least to improve when you compare it to the options from Wacom, Xencelabs, and XP-Pen. It's not that the PW517 pen that ships with the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) is bad, it's just… bland. There's no eraser, only two buttons, and the same old specs as everybody else: it's a battery-free EMR pen with 8,192 levels of pressure sensitivity, 5080 LPI resolution, and 60% tilt support.

Part of the problem is that the EMR pens used by all the major graphics tablet brands, Huion included, have gotten so good that you have to do something interesting to stand out. That's why Xencelabs offers you two pens -- a 3-button thick pen and a 2-button thin pen -- and XP-Pen recently debuted the "X3" pen that's thinner, better built, and offers a lower initial activation force than previous iterations. By comparison, Huion has just sort of stuck with what has worked. The PW517 stylus benefits from some new felt-tip nib options and "PenTech 3.0" for improved stability while drawing, but is otherwise unchanged from its predecessor in any noticeable way.

There's nothing wrong with that, but there's nothing particularly right about it either. This is one area where the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K), as the company's flagship offering, would benefit from a high-end pen that offers some significant improvements over Huion's previous generation… to say nothing of the competition.

A Cintiq Pro 24 for Half Price

Huion threw everything it could at the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) and it shows: this is a proper 4K flagship pen display that goes spec-for-spec with the Wacom Cintiq Pro 24 while shrinking the bezels, packing in a high-quality Samsung QLED display, and cutting the price by $700.

It's not a perfect display, but overall, my impressions were 90% positive. I think the pros and cons list bears this out:

Pros

  • 4K resolution
  • Solid color accuracy and gamut coverage
  • Full control over your display settings
  • Fully laminated display with minimal parallax
  • External keypad with mechanical dial
  • Built-in USB Type-A Hub and Audio Out
  • Single-cable connectivity via USB-C
  • Offers both HDMI and DP ports

Cons

  • Built-in feet limit you to a single drawing angle
  • 1-inch bezels are still pretty thick for a modern display
  • No built-in shortcut keys
  • No touchscreen functionality
  • PW517 pen isn't anything special

My only major complaint is that Huion went too far trying to beat Wacom at its own game. By opting for the same "minimalist" aesthetic of the Cintiq Pro series, Huion has left out some nice-to-have features that might have helped the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) stand out. As it stands, the door remains open for a competitor to release its own excellent 4K pen display that includes these missing features, or at least does something new or different or exciting.

In the meantime, I can confidently recommend the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) for anyone who wants a top-tier, high-resolution pen display for color-critical work. In fact, as of this writing, I'd have a hard time recommending anything else.

Unfortunately, I can't use this display as my daily driver because I simply don't have the space on my desk or any way to mount it that would actually make sense. If you're like me, the smaller, cheaper Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) or XP-Pen Artist Pro 16 might make more sense. But if size isn't an issue, editing photos on a large 4K pen display is an amazing experience that just got a lot more affordable, and we have Huion to thank for that.

Are There Alternatives?

Until Huion unveiled the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) there was only one 4K 24-inch pen display on the market: the Wacom Cintiq Pro 24. As I've already mentioned several times, that display is much more expensive ($2,000 without touch or $2,400 with touch functionality), and yet it doesn't offer any must-have features or intriguing add-ons that you don't already get with the Huion. Wacom's build quality may be a notch better, and it claims slightly higher AdobeRGB coverage (99% vs 96%), but the feature set is otherwise identical.

Your other 24-inch and 22-inch pen display options are all QHD resolution or 1080p, putting them in another category entirely. They include the 2K XP-Pen Artist 24 Pro for $630, the 1080p Wacom Cintiq 22 for $1,200, and Huion's own 2.5K Kamvas Pro 24 for $720. These are all solid pen displays in their own right, but none can match the screen quality, gamut coverage, and overall build quality of a flagship display like the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K).

We anticipate that XP-Pen will put out a 4K 24-inch pen display soon-ish, Xencelabs has hinted that pen displays are in their future, and Wacom may update or replace the Cintiq Pro 24 sometime within the next year or two, but all of that is speculation. At least for now, your choices are somewhat limited.

Should You Buy It?

Absolutely. If you want a 24-inch 4K pen display and you're willing to try something that isn't made by Wacom, then you can save a bundle without sacrificing in any significant way. As far as I can tell, the Kamvas Pro 24 (4K) doesn't cut any corners that should seriously push you to consider the Cintiq Pro 24 instead. If anything, the improved contrast of the QLED display might make this the better option even if these two pen displays were much closer in price.

#equipment #postprocessing #reviews #4k #4kdisplay #4kmonitor #graphicsdisplay #huion #huionkamvaspro24 #kamvaspro24 #monitor #pendisplay #pendisplayreview #review

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petapixel (unofficial)petapixel@ծմակուտ.հայ
2022-01-05

Huion Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) is the Perfect Pen Display for Photo Editors

As displays have become better and cheaper to manufacture over the past several years, high-quality pen displays have slowly been edging out pen tablets as the best way to edit your photos. One of the companies making a major push in this space is Huion, and over the past couple of months we've had the chance to go hands-on with the company's brand new, color-accurate Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) -- one of the most compelling options for any photographer looking for a high-quality pen display at a reasonable price.

For many years, professional photo editors have been using pen tablets to do most of their editing work, drawing on a plastic tablet while staring up at a computer monitor. But as display technology and manufacturing efficiency have improved over the past decade, a new, better option has made significant inroads into the creative community: more affordable pen displays with color-accurate panels are now available that let you directly edit on your photos.

It used to be your options fell on either side of a wide spectrum: either you spent $1,500 to $2,500 on a high-end, high-resolution pen display or you bought an "entry-level" model that sacrificed color accuracy, convenience, and resolution in order to bring the price down below $1,000. For many photographers, where color is key, a pen tablet was still the best option.

That's all about to change.

The Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K)—and its little sibling, the Kamvas Pro 13 (2.5K)appear to offer the best of both worlds, taking advantage of the latest display technology to offer better resolution, excellent color accuracy, and a sleek portable design that only costs $600 for the Kamvas Pro 16 or $400 for the Kamvas Pro 13. These two displays were only just announced this morning, but Huion sponsored this Showcase and sent over the 16-inch model so we could get some hands-on time ahead of release, and man were we ever impressed by this product.

What's in the Box

First things first: when you unbox the Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) you'll find a little adventure in three layers.

Layer one is the tablet itself, which is enclosed in a plastic sheath with an additional peel-off plastic covering the screen itself. Next, you'll find the "Foldable Stand ST200," a basic stand that's adjustable between 20 and 45 degrees, and folds flat when not in use. Finally, the last layer includes the pen, a pen holder filled with 10 replacement nibs (five standard and five felt) and a nib clip, a drawing glove, cleaning cloth, quick-start guide, and all of the cables you might want or need in order to hook the tablet up to your computer.

The cable selection is actually one of the major features of the Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) that's missing from many similarly priced pen displays.

There's a new "3-in-2" cable, which features a dual USB-C connector that forks into an HDMI and two USB Type-A cables. The HDMI carries video, one USB-A carries the pen input, and the third cable connects to the power adapter, while the dual USB-C plug makes for a more stable connection to the tablet itself because it doesn't try to cram HDMI, a USB output, and USB power delivery into a single cable. That's already a small improvement over most affordable pen displays, which use a "3-in-1" cable, but Huion also offers the option to connect to your computer using only a USB-C to USB-C cable, which is also included in the box.

That single-cable option, which can provide power, display input, and pen input all at once, is the kind of feature we're only used to seeing from high-end displays that cost over $1,000, not affordable "mid-range" options. What's more, some high-end displays are too power-hungry to run entirely off of a USB-C input, but the Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) is small enough that you can get away with a true single-cable connection—no power outlet required.

That's a big plus for a tablet that's so small and lightweight. There's nothing holding you back from editing your photos on your couch or at the nearby coffee shop.

Key Features

In addition to the variety of included goodies, there are a few key features of the Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) that are worth calling out. For one, the tablet comes with Huion's latest PW517 battery-free pen with "PenTech 3.0," which boasts a more stable drawing experience, lower response time, more precise cursor position, and improved drop resistance. Other specs are similar to most of the battery-free EMR pens out there: 8192 levels of pressure sensitivity, 5080LPI resolution, support for ±60° of tilt, and two programmable buttons built into the pen itself.

I have an old Huion Inspiroy tablet lying around that uses the older PW100 pen, and I can definitely feel a marked improvement in both drawing stability and build quality for this newest pen. My only complaint is that they didn't add an "eraser" to the back of the PW517, but that's a minor gripe when you can just program one of the pen buttons to the letter "E" and activate the eraser on command.

Truthfully, I like the new pen, but my favorite feature on the Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) is something else -- something that companies have been systematically removing from their high-end options. My favorite feature is the eight programmable express keys on the left side of the display.

I absolutely love having built-in express keys. It's way better than an external remote (in my personal opinion) because it allows me to stay fully focused on the editing task at hand, one hand on the express keys and one using the pen to do my actual editing. I've spent many an hour cleaning up dust or cutting out backgrounds without ever having to look up or, indeed, look over to the buttons themselves because they each have a raised plastic marking so you can feel your way across the keys.

No need for a keyboard and mouse, just full-on photo-editing flow.

Another really nice feature that will appeal directly to photographers is the option to use the tablet in "pen tablet mode," which allows you to turn off the display and use the surface as a more traditional pen tablet. I'm a big proponent of editing with pen on screen because of the immediate feedback it provides and the precision that it enables, but once in a while, it's nice to turn the screen off, even if it's just to correct your posture for a little while.

Finally, the last (rather important) feature is the fact that the display is compatible with Mac, Windows, and even Android phones. I mostly used the tablet on Mac, though I did test it on Windows, and found the driver software easy-to-use and intuitive. You can remap the display, set the express key commands, adjust your pen pressure, rotate the display orientation (particularly useful for lefties), and dial in different settings for different apps, all within a few clicks.

A Huge Display Upgrade

The last, and most important, feature that I want to talk about is the 2.5K display that Huion is using on the new Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) and Kamvas Pro 13 (2.5K). More than anything else, this is the feature that wins me over and makes me want to recommend this display to photo editors because the panel inside this tablet is excellent.

Many affordable pen displays I've tested make at least one or two significant compromises in display quality. It's either 1080p resolution, and/or it doesn't get very bright, and/or it isn't particularly color accurate. The affordable Wacom One, for example, is a convenient little pen display, but it uses a 1080p panel that barely covers 84% sRGB, despite costing the same as the Kamvas Pro 13 (2.5K).

I was eager to know: did Huion make the same sort of compromises with these new Kamvas Pro displays? As you may have guessed, the answer is a resounding "no."

The Quantum Dot display in the new Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) covers over 95% of both the AdobeRGB (right) and DCI-P3 (left) color gamuts.

Both the Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) and Kamvas Pro 13 (2.5K) use QLED (AKA "Quantum Dot") display technology to improve color accuracy, brightness, and contrast, producing the best visual quality I've yet tested in a 16-inch pen display.

According to my results using DisplayCAL and an XRite i1Display Pro Plus colorimeter, the Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K) that we've been testing achieves 99.9% sRGB coverage, 96.6% DCI-P3, and 95.7% Adobe RGB at a Delta E of 2.25 and an average Delta E of just 0.5. That's high-end "creator laptop" territory, and far better than I expected from a $600 pen display.

What's more, Huion also gives you control over your display primaries -- not just brightness, contrast, or color temperature, you can actually change the gains on your RGB channels to dial in your white point. This level of control is usually reserved for dedicated photo- and video-editing monitors, and it's key if you want to properly calibrate your display. After futzing around with the primaries, I was able to hit D65 and match my main 32-inch 4K display perfectly.

And Huion didn't stop with color accuracy and control. The company continued to borrow technology from more expensive displays by using proper anti-glare etched glass; most affordable displays use a light scattering "film" that can have a noticeable effect on color accuracy—and laminating the display itself to the glass surface in order to reduce parallax.

All of the above makes for a display experience that far outstrips most pen displays in this price range. It almost feels like Huion has shifted focus from the digital artists that usually use these products to the photo editors who are increasingly interested in taking advantage of this technology for themselves.

The Best of All Worlds

The recent trend among pen display manufacturers like Huion and Wacom has been to split the lineup into an entry-level tier with 1080p resolution, buttons built into the display, and a three-way HDMI/USB/Power cable for connection, and a high-end 4K display with better color, a "minimalist" design with no built-in express keys, and the option to connect to your computer using a single cable. Up until now, Huion's Kamvas Pro product line basically fell in line with the above: you have the 1080p Kamvas 16 (2021), the Kamvas Pro (4K), and the Kamvas Pro Plus (4K) that's identical to the regular Kamvas Pro 4K but features a more color-accurate QLED "Quantum Dot" display.

The Huion Kamvas Pro 16 (2.5K)—and, by extension, its 13-inch sibling—is essentially a combination of the best features from these three displays, making it (in my humble opinion) the best option for price-conscious creators.

You get the built-in shortcut keys lacking from the high-end models, a QLED "Quantum Dot" display that's on par with the most expensive of the three, and more resolution than the entry-level "non-Pro" Kamvas 16. Sure, you're losing a bit of resolution over the Kamvas Pro 16 4K and Kamvas Pro 16 Plus 4K, but at 16-inches that resolution difference is basically imperceptible since you're likely to be using it from only 1 or 2 feet away.

Given the choice between these three tiers, I can honestly say that the 2.5K variant—the "mid-tier" Kamvas Pro 16—would be the pen display I would personally purchase. The improved screen quality and resolution are worth it all on their own, but when you add in the built-in express keys and the ability to connect my computer with a single USB-C cable instead of the clunky HDMI/USB/Power combo cables that are used by many pen displays, there's no doubt in my mind that the new Kamvas Pro (2.5K) models offer the best bang-for-your-buck in Huion's whole pen display lineup.

Welcome to a PetaPixel Showcase, where our staff gives you a hands-on with unique and interesting products from across the photography landscape. The Showcase format affords manufacturers the opportunity to sponsor hands-on time with their products and our staff, and it lets them highlight what features they think are worth noting, but the opinions expressed from PetaPixel staff are genuine. Showcases should not be considered an endorsement by PetaPixel.

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