A fracture has emerged within Germany's business community regarding the appropriate engagement with the Alternative for Germany (AfD), sparking a contentious d... https://news.osna.fm/?p=24638 | #news #business #farright #german #groups
#Groups
Thoughts on a #Mastodon #Groups implementation:
There has long been a wish for Mastodon groups. There was Guppe and similar, but those are closer to mailing lists than groups. Lemmy has some good ideas, but is not perfect.
These are my thoughts, how I would do it if I was designing the project. (I'm not, while I am a developer, C#, my language of choice, does not fit well in the ecosystem).
First of all, don't integrate into Mastodon proper. Why? You don't want groups to be per instance. Yes, you could do federation, but unless you are willing to recreate Usenet, that comes with its own problems.
Instead, have separate group instances. These should not have users of their own, every "user" is a group (this solves the group vs user problem that people run into when interfacing Mastodon and Lemmy, as well as discourage recreating the same groups on each instance). Mastodon users post to a group, like they would post a message to a user on another instance.
This allows to have a group instance with IT-related groups, another instance with travel related groups, one with German groups, etc. Yes, there will be multiple of "the same" group across instances, but not nearly as many as if groups were per regular Mastodon instance.
Replies to group posts should work just like replies to any other group.
When you look at the profile of a group, show the original post of each thread, but not the replies themselves. To see the replies, you would have to click on the post you want to see replies to. That is what a Mastodon user would expect. This requires a change to Mastodon: When you click on a profile, that profile and the posts belonging to it needs to be fetched from the correct instance, not shown from the local cache. This would also fix the "why does these users not have any posts" problem, overall a good thing.
Conceptually, this model seems pretty simple, and I believe it would solve most things people want from groups. You can browse a group, without following, unlike Guppe-style groups, and if done in cooperation with the Mastodon core team, it would integrate fluently with Mastodon, without the quirks that posting to e.g. Lemmy from Mastodon has. Code-wise, it's a complete instance, so if built from the ground up, it would be a lot of work. But it may be possible to reuse 90% of Mastodon code for it, if the right people decide to do it.
Comments? Reasons why this would be a bad idea or even impossible? Anything important that I missed?
A concerning trend of escalating right-wing disruption is shadowing Germany's Christopher Street Days (CSD) and Pride celebrations, according to a new study by... https://news.osna.fm/?p=24361 | #news #disruption #events #groups #pride
USENET GROUP
[for your address book]
https://soc.octade.net/usenet/
A #Fediverse group for discussing topics and tools related to #Usenet and #NNTP or #NetworkNews.
#groups #fedigroups #fediverse #retro
Image licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 Generic license (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/deed.en). Image attribution: Benjamin D. Esham / Wikimedia Commons.
[for your address book]
https://soc.octade.net/usenet/
A #Fediverse group for discussing topics and tools related to #Usenet and #NNTP or #NetworkNews.
#groups #fedigroups #fediverse #retro
Image licensed under the Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 Generic license (https://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/2.5/deed.en). Image attribution: Benjamin D. Esham / Wikimedia Commons.
Alleged attacks by teens in Grey Lynn Park alarm Auckland park-goers
A post by the woman’s flatmate said that in the past week alone, a group of teenage boys…
#NewsBeep #News #Headlines #alarm #alleged #allegedly #attacks #auckland #by #central #days #grey #groups #have #in #lynn #NewZealand #NZ #occurred #park #parkgoers #people #popular #several #Teens #violent #within #Young
https://www.newsbeep.com/247151/
Any Londoners here who can recommend people or groups for exploring the area, good walks with small groups and the like? I’m very new to SW London and would like to know the area better and to make a few friends along the way. I’m not extroverted so prefer small groups or events to attend. #london #Groups
Just because it works under your very limited and controlled lab conditions, doesn't mean it will work just as well under real-life conditions.
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
Interestingly, almost at the same time, Hubzilla 10.6 was rolled out. Money quote from the announcement:
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Misskey #GoToSocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Forums #Groups #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #FEP_e232
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
Interestingly, almost at the same time, Hubzilla 10.6 was rolled out. Money quote from the announcement:
- Implement FEP-e232 (object links) for quote posts
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Misskey #GoToSocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Forums #Groups #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #FEP_e232
Just because it works under your very limited and controlled lab conditions, doesn't mean it will work just as well under real-life conditions.
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
Interestingly, almost at the same time, Hubzilla 10.6 was rolled out. Money quote from the announcement:
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Misskey #GoToSocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Forums #Groups #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #FEP_e232
A few may remember the summer of 2024 when (streams) rolled out FEP-171b. It broke federation in every imaginable way because, as it turned out later, (streams) suddenly confused the many different IDs it had to juggle. Granted, the byproduct of trying to fix this was Forte, the first Fediverse server software to provide nomadic identity via nothing but ActivityPub.
Now Hubzilla rolled out FEP-e232. And there's breakage again. Not quite as badly, but in places that really hurt.
So the talk of the town in the Fediverse is Mastodon 4.5 introducing quote-posts. (Mastodon 4.5 allegedly introducing quote-posts to the Fediverse, and how that's wrong, is another story.)
Interestingly, almost at the same time, Hubzilla 10.6 was rolled out. Money quote from the announcement:
- Implement FEP-e232 (object links) for quote posts
FEP-e232 Object Links in practice usually = "quote-posts like Misskey" = linking to the original with "RE:" before the link.
Apparently, rather than what Hubzilla had been doing since 2012 when it was still Red. What Friendica has been doing since its own inception in 2010. Namely insert a dumb copy of the quoted post into the quoting post.
While (streams) and Forte have been supporting FEP-e232 under the bonnet for quite a while while still quote-posting with dumb copies, Hubzilla has decided to go all the way and replace the old-fashioned Friendica way of quote-posting entirely with the Misskey way that's all the rage in the Fediverse now.
Yes, this has its advantages. If the original is edited, then the edit (in theory) is reflected in all posts that quote-post it.
But here on Hubzilla, this switch causes trouble.
Mastodon rolled out rendering support for Misskey-style quote-posts before rolling out quote-posts themselves, so those Mastodon servers that can't render these quote-posts are hopelessly outdated.
Hubzilla, on the other hand, rolled out Misskey-style quote-posts with version 10.6 while 10.4 and older can't even render Misskey-style quote-posts, not even when they come straight from a *key. In this regard, it would have been smarter to first make sure that Hubzilla renders this kind of quote-posts, then wait for a few minor releases and then change the way Hubzilla quote-posts.
You may see this as just a minor nuisance. But on top of that, it breaks Hubzilla's forums.
See, Hubzilla's forums are based on quote-posts. You start a new thread by DM'ing to a forum, and the forum will automatically share (quote-post) your start post to all forum members. If it's a private, limited-access forum, only the forum members are permitted to see the post with your quoted post in it.
I guess it's kind of obvious that this can only work by quote-posting a dumb copy of the start post unless a few more stops are being pulled.
Now, however, forums on Hubzilla 10.6 quote-post start posts by linking to the original. Remember that the original is a DM to the forum. As in only the forum is permitted to see it. You can click the link to the original all you want. But unless you run the forum, Hubzilla will not let you see it, not even with all the OpenWebAuth magic sign-on that you have on yourself as a Hubzilla user. In fact, I'd be very worried if I could see it now.
If there was even only one active forum on one of the two public hubs that run development versions, this critical bug would have popped up earlier and been fixed before it would have hit a release. But apparently, nobody is crazy enough to run a forum on a dev-grade hub, not to mention how few active Hubzilla forums there are in the first place. Seriously, I wonder if there's any feedback coming from the two dev hubs because I never see any hit the Support Forum. Does it all go straight to Framagit?
Good thing hubzilla.org is still running Hubzilla 10.4. hubzilla.org is not only the official Hubzilla website, it's actually a Hubzilla hub itself. The official Hubzilla website is built on a Hubzilla channel, using the Webpages app. And hubzilla.org is home of the Hubzilla Support Forum. It would have been a disaster, had this forum been broken, too.
I guess there's a hotfix due now, even if it means reverting FEP-e232 support (although changing the permissions of a DM to a forum channel would do the trick, and looking at how (streams) and Forte do it would be even smarter). And I hope it'll come before hubzilla.org is upgraded to 10.6.
By the way, while it's at it, maybe Hubzilla could also permanently set that GoToSocial/Mastodon flag that allows being quote-posted. I mean, if you come to a place that has been able to quote-post for a whopping 13 years, that can quote-post any public content from anywhere in the Fediverse with zero resistance, and that has no control over whether or not your stuff can be quote-posted (other than not posting in public), it's safe to assume that you're okay with your stuff being quote-posted anyway.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Misskey #GoToSocial #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Forums #Groups #FediverseGroups #FediGroups #FEP_e232
Government advisory group recommends effective homelessness ban but Cabinet is not so sure
The policy hasn’t been included in any Cabinet paper, which would most likely need to be agreed by…
#NewsBeep #News #Headlines #accusing #advisory #amounts #ban #but #Cabinet #Community #considering #effective #Government #group #groups #homelessness #is #Labour #NewZealand #not #NZ #party #recommends #several #so #sure #what
https://www.newsbeep.com/231959/
The proposal by Interior Minister Alexander Dobrindt to integrate crisis preparedness into the German school curriculum is gaining considerable support from lea... https://news.osna.fm/?p=21874 | #news #aid #emergencies #groups #prepare
The Up and Down Flat Ride
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Yesterday I went for a bike ride. When I looked at the route I thought "this looks like a nice calm, relaxed ride. It wasn't. I rode with group 2, which is a fast group, going uphill at 20-40 km/h on certain segments.
You might look at a cycling route and think "this looks flat, it doesn't go to the top of the Jura" but don't let that mislead you. When you're riding at the foot of the Jura it's easy to climb, and then descend, and then climb again, and then descend, and then climb yet again. In the end we did 1100m of climbing over 80 kilometres cycled.
It's not just that the climbs were numerous but that one or two were up steep gradients, so you need to be fit to manage them. If you lose steam, and you're clipped in, you might not have time to unclip before you fall either on to a wall, or down to the road.
At one point someone stopped, and I had nowhere to flee but a ditch. Luckily the person quickly started moving again. I was half a second from falling. Unclipping is easy, when you expect to, but it's hard when you don't.
It's after this incident with group 2 that we met up with group 3 and I chatted with them. It's at this point that I chose to continue with them.
I enjoy the challenge of groups one, and two, but I also love the conviviality of group three. The opportunity to stop and look at the view, to have a drink, and then to ride at a more relaxed pace. I like being able to look at the view, rather than the wheel, and the person in front. I like having a pace where I can take a photo while I'm riding.
I like riding with groups that like riding for the pleasure of riding, rather than groups that ride to be fast. I love the sense of being fit and fast, and able to keep up with fast people. I also love treating bike rides as if they were hikes. I like to stop, look at the landscape and take photos. I like to stop for a coffee if that is possible.
Not Tired
What is to be appreciated about yesterday's ride is that we did a lot of climbing. We climbed the equivalent of the Jura, from Nyon, and I didn't feel it. I did get tired and cold by the end. I never felt that I had done a lot of climbing, until I heard a comment about the amount of climbing we did.
It's also a long ride. Eighty kilometres, in Autumn, with the wind, the drizzle, the cold, and the lack of daylight, is an achievement. I saw that other people are managing 130 kilometre rides, despite the colder weather, and frequent rain.
And Finally
Before I finished this post I felt the need for a siesta. I feel that the Autumn cold is putting a lot of stress on my body, and my immune system. I've been trying to sleep more to compensate for the extra energy expenditure. I don't like Autumn, and the start of winter. I don't like the shortening days and the colder temperatures. The paradox is that I felt good during the ride, until I got cold.
#ascents #bicycle #climbing #cycling #fun #groups #Jura #misread #mountains #physical #social
Groups 3.8.0 released
@Sylkeweb Testing The Fediverse There are several, but unlike Guppe, they all require a local account. They can be connected/followed from Mastodon, but you cannot simply create a group there on the fly with nothing but your existing Mastodon account. Also, no matter what you choose, it will handle nothing like Mastodon or a *key.
One more thing that's critically important to know is that posting (as in starting a new thread) on either of these from Mastodon or a *key is not quite straight-forward.
That's because a title is recommended on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams), and on Lemmy, Mbin and PieFed, a title is pretty much mandatory. But neither Mastodon nor the *keys have any active support for titles. (The CW field corresponds to the summary; the title is something entirely different.)
So if you want to start a new thread from Mastodon or a *key, you have to adhere to a special post format:
Lastly: Don't use hashtags when posting or commenting to Lemmy, Mbin and PieFed. Reddit doesn't have hashtags either, and what Reddit doesn't have has no place on either of these three.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Streams #(streams) #Hubzilla #PieFed #Mbin #Lemmy #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups
- Friendica
Alternative to/works like: Facebook, long-form blogging platforms
Official website: https://friendi.ca
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Friendica
Join the Fediverse Wiki: https://joinfediverse.wiki/Friendica
List of existing groups: https://dir.friendica.social/group
Official server list: https://dir.friendica.social/servers
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/friendica
Fediverse Observer: https://friendica.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/friendica - (streams)
Alternative to/works like: Facebook, long-form blogging platforms, various cloud services
Officially nameless and brandless; colloquially "named" after its code repository
No official website
Code repository (instead of website): https://codeberg.org/streams/streams
Join the Fediverse Wiki: https://joinfediverse.wiki/(streams)
No official server list
No FediDB, Fediverse Observer and FediIndex entries
Public server in North America (USA): https://rumbly.net/register
Public server in Europe (Hungary; German admin also speaking English): https://nomad.fedi-verse.hu/register
[list] - Hubzilla
Alternative to/works like: Facebook, long-form blogging platforms, various cloud services, GeoCities etc.
Official website: https://hubzilla.org
Wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hubzilla
Join the Fediverse Wiki: https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla
Notice: Software versions with an odd number after the first dot (e.g. 10.5.x) are experimental. Software versions with an even number after the first dot (e.g. 10.4.x) are stable.
Official server list: https://hubzilla.org/pubsites
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/hubzilla
Fediverse Observer: https://hubzilla.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/hubzilla - PieFed
Alternative to/works like: Reddit, Hacker News
Official website: https://join.piefed.social/
Official server list: https://join.piefed.social/try/
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/piefed
Fediverse Observer: https://piefed.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/piefed - Mbin
Alternative to/works like: Reddit, Hacker News
Official website: https://joinmbin.org/
Official server list: https://joinmbin.org/servers
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/mbin
Fediverse Observer: https://mbin.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/mbin - Lemmy
Alternative to/works like: Reddit, Hacker News
Official website: https://joinmbin.org/
Official server list: https://join-lemmy.org/instances
Unofficial server list: https://lemmyverse.net/
Unofficial list of existing communities: https://lemmyverse.net/communities
FediDB: https://fedidb.com/software/mbin
Fediverse Observer: https://mbin.fediverse.observer/list
FediIndex: https://fedi.wrm.sr/software/mbin
One more thing that's critically important to know is that posting (as in starting a new thread) on either of these from Mastodon or a *key is not quite straight-forward.
That's because a title is recommended on Friendica, Hubzilla and (streams), and on Lemmy, Mbin and PieFed, a title is pretty much mandatory. But neither Mastodon nor the *keys have any active support for titles. (The CW field corresponds to the summary; the title is something entirely different.)
So if you want to start a new thread from Mastodon or a *key, you have to adhere to a special post format:
- First line: the title.
- Second line: mentions the group with @.
- Then: the actual post text.
Lastly: Don't use hashtags when posting or commenting to Lemmy, Mbin and PieFed. Reddit doesn't have hashtags either, and what Reddit doesn't have has no place on either of these three.
#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Friendica #Streams #(streams) #Hubzilla #PieFed #Mbin #Lemmy #Groups #FediGroups #FediverseGroups
Client Info
Server: https://mastodon.social
Version: 2025.07
Repository: https://github.com/cyevgeniy/lmst