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@serapath
> to stabilize p2p primitives before they get open sourced
This one would be more convincing ... If it wasn't for the fact that Keet is based on Pear, which is already published;
https://github.com/holepunchto/pear
Pear is in turn based on HyperCore/ DAT, which is too;
https://github.com/holepunchto/hypercore
Hypercore is part of DAT which is a documented open protocol;
https://dat.foundation/about/foundation/
So the "primitives" are already out there.
@serapath @strypey well #Holochain has had far-right personalities leading its communities, and #Keet actively includes them, so there's that. Holochain has repeatedly championed White Nationalist hate actors and marketed itself to the far-right through its founding members and ecosystem growth manager.
IMO (as someone who collaborated with them for a long time and knows the architecture deeply) the DHT scenario and Holochain's forkable network architecture makes this a much more dangerous combination. No trust or consent is needed to replicate peer data to new group members, and data and code can be forked off to new groups any time. At least in Keet replication is up to the individual and not the volk.
En vista de la enmierdificacion de #discord ando probando nuevas apps, una de ellas #keet cree un grupo de habla castellana que vi en el grupo de soporte internacional que a más de uno le costaba incluso agregar a gente os paso enlace si lo queréis probar y uniros pear://keet/nfowjdin4iohgsz388emzh3fx6rqpzi36ak9pym95edbinnh6413naoe68g8n1iz78btxzj7re6o8h8ir1gxhwsg747sqahyajaaxrimsymppduu5n9zzs4c1tew7ing8u5y9owizijicqqafnibz4xprjujhyed14rq5goo3htjwjsks3iewtrubncpo
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To those newly boosting this- I can no longer in good conscience recommend #Keet as an ethical messaging alternative. In some ways that is fine, because it's serverless and so there's no infrastructure that can be compromised.
Just be aware that it is fascist-built and owned tech, set your boundaries and sanctions appropriately, and give nothing back to their toxic and structurally violent community.
Related thread for reference- https://kolektiva.social/@pospi/115891014181705108
@HennaVirkkunen make #Whatsapp small again.
Just migrate on #keet, #SignalApp or #Threema
Noteworthy that I also see people in the Pears community chat asking whether #Holepunch are part of the 'Privacy Accelerationists' group https://privacc.org and so seems pretty clear to me that #Keet's marketing is also attracting Landian #fascist #accelerationist hate actors.
I am aware that Holepunch's ~$10M in funding places them in an exponentially more powerful position than the impoverished progressive @dat_ecosystem that they've built atop of and co-opted. I also want to say that DAT's private responses to me have been exemplary in how to generatively respond to cultural issues. I hope to see people in the broader #DatEcosystem and @apereo continuing to hold that torch.
This is #OpenSource's damaging #BigTent philosophy at work yet again.
As I've already indicated, if no official response is given I will be creating strong sanctions around use of @holepunch_to software and contributing to their communities. I will no longer recommend #Keet or #Pears openly or to groups I work with, and instead take on the responsibility of warning marginalised people of their toxic culture and against engaging with them.
You have lost yourselves a fan, and created a vocal detractor.
The same reductive individualistic logic I have seen peddled across more or less every #DWeb community I have ever engaged with of course gets some airtime here:
"In short #Keet, Pear and #P2P is about #decentralization and that means giving power to individuals and taking it from large entities like governments and companies ie meta etc"
Sure bros, you've made your politics clear. It's all "I will not be ruled" here, "I will not rule" or the matter of what happens with that power once it has been siezed hasn't even entered awareness.
https://c4ss.org/content/56480
In suggesting that we "all work together on avoiding tyranny in all its forms", David seems completely unaware of his direct contributions to the tyranny of Pears' official channels.
Reporting back on this confronting interaction with the #Holepunch / #Keet community in their official #Pears channel last December 13th/14th (depending on your timezone).
https://kolektiva.social/@pospi/115714114504044153
TLDR; yes, it's another violent #DistributedWeb #DWeb community incubating hate projects and including #fascist actors.
#Keet & #Holepunch @holepunch_to teams- following up from yesterday:
Pragmatically, I'll still use your software (though it makes trusting proprietary modules feel even more sketchy tbh). Yours is probably the one #TechnoFascist project I'm aware of that actually has good code & UX. And it's self sovereign, so.
If your response goes further into a downward spiral of innocense & virtue instead of some amends, accountability and recovery, I'll just do what we're doing for #Holochain. Authoring politically assertive #governance processes around my collective's & partnership's use of their software, explicitly calling out the harm and creating guardrails to prevent any upstream contributions (intellectual, social or otherwise). And then we'll open source those docs, surface them everywhere, and make them easily adoptable & forkable.
[me]: I have to say, on a political note, I find the #Keet marketing of "The chat app for #FreeSpeech" to be quite triggering. That's far-right messaging, folks; and you're attracting the wrong crowd with it. 'Free Speech' tends toward '#HateSpeech' pretty much every time.
What about "The chat app for oppressed minorities" or "The chat app for marginalised communities"?
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woah 😯 the #Keet community's response to cultural commentary is INTENSE.
I'm out. Fix your shit & release an official statement, #BigTent #OpenSource #fascists.
See Keet official "#Pear Community" group for the crazy.
Ще 8 способів здійснювати аудіо- та відеодзвінки. FaceTime, Teams, IMO, Keet, SimleX та інші
@powersource yeah, I'm not talking about switching 🙂 I'm talking about backup resilient comms infrastructure. (And knowing you, maybe you're talking about #Scuttlebutt when you're talking about "switching", so 100% good point there with equivalence to #Keet- both are DHT-based handshake protocols that end in gossip peering; and one is OSS but the other is not.)
@racchio I don't know much about #Nostr, other than that it's a fascist-run project with a disastrous cultural history. But yes, #Keet is for IM and runs fully decentralised.
(I'm going to use that word rather than "distributed" as the architecture *does* actually facilitate the distribution of power as well as of compute & storage. It's also built by a pretty cool community of anarchists & anarcho-syndicalists, at least the ones I've met.)
To everybody currently experiencing the #Signal messenger downtime and precariousness of digital infrastructure that relies on servers, know that #Keet exists! It can preserve network connectivity and message deliverability in very degraded and hostile network conditions due to the absence of servers in its #p2p architecture.
The world needs resilient communications for what is to come. Don't let your whole network depend on one company.
@drahardja @anji to your point about OSS #UX, #Keet's is actually quite good IMO (though it is not yet open-sourced); and the onboarding is much smoother than it used to be (although initial sync of the app data still takes a little while).
Meets the #Discord crowd's needs of video & audio chat in large groups, which AFAIK #Matrix does not.
