@kfh all the more reason to try out a different, less featureful browser like #Netsurf or #Dillo for plain web surfing...
#NetSurf
I started to develop a minimal version of FosseryWeb 1-2 weeks ago, with the aim of Dillo and NetSurf compatibility, I just "finished" the site (in the sense that all articles and cheatsheets are available there).
In the beginning, it was a bit challenging to find ways to implement the planned design in a way that it isn't broken in the above mentioned browsers, but actually it was a fun challenge, it was a bit like a "don't use modern CSS features" challenge lol. I had to make some changes to the originally planned design to make it work, but hope you like it.
Besides the compatibility thing, I also made the site as lightweight as possible, by including only the necessary CSS styles for each page (mostly), and only include images where it's necessary (e.g. in a few cheatsheets).
https://fosseryweb-min.codeberg.page/
If you noticed a bug or have any recommendation, feel free to drop a comment.
I'm aware of some article/cheatsheet download issues mentioned on the Known issues section of the About page (https://fosseryweb-min.codeberg.page/about.html), but I couldn't find a solution for those yet (some of those are browser-related, so I can't really do anything about them I guess). I could solve the Dillo issue by including Markdown files in zip, but even then, unzipping it is one extra step, so it wouldn't be any better than right clicking on the link imo.
#FosseryWeb #FosseryWebMin #MinimalWebsite #Website #WebDev #Dillo #NetSurf #FosseryTech
@freedosproject Theoretically, #Netsurf browser can run framebuffer-wise. And it has some javascript support, CSS, HTML5, etc...
https://ci.netsurf-browser.org/jenkins/job/docs-netsurf/doxygen/md_docs_using-framebuffer.html
Impressive. A machine from 1999 running modern-day Linux with #Antix...
...FROM A LIVE CD!
https://reddit.com/comments/1kgoqki
No idea how usable it is, but it even loaded up a browsing session thanks to the amazing #NetSurf.
Big news in the #BashCore project: introducing #BashCoreLX — the same minimal, powerful BashCore, now with a lightweight #LXDE graphical interface!
Tested on my old machine: just 300MB RAM on boot.
Hoping to release a public ISO soon using live-build!
It’ll include all BashCore tools +
#Wireshark #OWASPZAP #BurpSuite #FernWiFiCracker #FirefoxESR #Netsurf
#Linux #Pentesting #CyberSecurity #LightweightLinux #InfoSec #LiveISO
@4bz i liked #ploum's essay about the two webs:
https://ploum.net/2023-08-01-splitting-the-web.html
i think it makes sense to resort tl a shitty web browser for the shitty JS-powered capitalist web; and whenever possible use #ytdlp or #tubular for hostile sites like #youtube;
and then use other web browsers (or rss readers, or ...) for the enjoyable web. those web browsers might not even need JS. these include #offpunk, #lynx, #netsurf, #dillo, #links, #edbrowse, #librera, #eww.
Funny thing this morning - because I AM curious...
So apparently, #python pypi.org doesn't work in #netsurf nor #lynx - it just sends "enable #javascript "message. Which BTW lynx displays, but netsurf does not.
But get this, #mothra and #abaco actually do render js-less pypi. What? Rt?
Haven't yet tried messing with user agents. Will explore further later, as it's round 0630 CET & I gotta get to work to build an Aida set at the theatre that pays for my hobbies. And haven't had coffee yet.
Ok I have to correct myself.
#Netsurf 3.11 on RISC OS 5.30 can indeed run the brutaldon.org client, if you have JavaScript turned on
🙄
Text posts worked, i haven't tried posting an image yet.
Gosh I needed such a random unimportant wild bug chase today! Finding a painless workaround to the preferences bug made my day. Some people play games, some dig memes. I get my fix via not understanding the basics; being hopeless endless noob. For a second decade now too 🙃😁😂
Cheers #freebsd #netsurf #twm #xorg #gtk
Is this normal?
... I'm going to try #NetSurf and #Falkon
I'm pretty tired of these behemoth browsers...
Working on a presentation for work has given me an opportunity to read up about the history of the Web Browser.
Turns out to be not such a simple thing to unravel. Here's my attempt!
https://www.flypig.co.uk/gecko?&list_id=1202&list=gecko
#Web #Mosaic #InternetExplorer #Edge #Mozilla #Netscape #Gecko #Firefox #Safari #Chrome #Chromium #Opera #Ladybird #Netsurf #SailfishOS
@lpwaterhouse The implementation-first philosophy of the "Living Standard" is definitely the bane of every web browser that is not Chromium, I agree. I sometimes wonder if we all should've just stayed HTML 4.xx with W3C truly in charge instead of the WHATWG (which acts more like a browser cartel led by Google)...
I'm pretty disappointed with the dismissive attitude towards #PaleMoon though. I guess it comes from the fact that I have contributed plenty to its development (people might know me best for bringing in the JPEG XL support to it but personally I'm most proud of my successful effort to unbundle Spidermonkey from the bloated xul.dll in Windows which I think was a mistake by Mozilla). I do want #servo to succeed too (as well as #Ladybird which is another fresh engine, and old-timers like #SeaMonkey, #Dillo, and #NetSurf to name a few), but we have to admit that it will take a long, consistent protracted effort for these newcomers before they come close to being "viable". Granted, Pale Moon does suffer from lots of web compatibility issues too (so I don't want to sound like I'm overhyping it like I don't want people to overhype the from-scratch engines), but the fact that Mastodon and YouTube to name a few "Web 2.0" sites can function in PM (even if the latter can be unbearably slow no thanks to the ungodly amounts of JavaScript being loaded) and not in Servo (last I tested like a month ago) just shows how far apart they both are right now when it comes to webcompat.
I'm pretty disappointed with the dismissive attitude towards #PaleMoon though. I guess it comes from the fact that I have contributed plenty to its development (people might know me best for bringing in the JPEG XL support to it but personally I'm most proud of my successful effort to unbundle Spidermonkey from the bloated xul.dll in Windows which I think was a mistake by Mozilla). I do want #servo to succeed too (as well as #Ladybird which is another fresh engine, and old-timers like #SeaMonkey, #Dillo, and #NetSurf to name a few), but we have to admit that it will take a long, consistent protracted effort for these newcomers before they come close to being "viable". Granted, Pale Moon does suffer from lots of web compatibility issues too (so I don't want to sound like I'm overhyping it like I don't want people to overhype the from-scratch engines), but the fact that Mastodon and YouTube to name a few "Web 2.0" sites can function in PM (even if the latter can be unbearably slow no thanks to the ungodly amounts of JavaScript being loaded) and not in Servo (last I tested like a month ago) just shows how far apart they both are right now when it comes to webcompat.
@Drew Well, if you don't need compatibility with the newest Web standards, then the #dillobrowser or #netsurf are viable alternatives, otherwise, if it hast to be open source, it becomes more difficult...
@redmp Such browsers already exist. #NetSurf for example does exactly that.
They never disappeared; it's just that webdevs of the mainstream these days don't care about backwards compatibility at all (and always complain when #Safari for example doesn't support whatever shiny feature they want to require)
@igalia
They never disappeared; it's just that webdevs of the mainstream these days don't care about backwards compatibility at all (and always complain when #Safari for example doesn't support whatever shiny feature they want to require)
@igalia
...and full functional with #w3m This is even more lowtech than #netsurf 😜 . You can purify pages with https://txt.bloat.cat/
> - #links2
> - #dillo
> - #netsurf
> - #w3m
> - #lynx
I cannot overstate my approval. This list is FIRE.
I actually have images disabled in w3m becuase the performance is kinda poor, but use xlinks a lot when I actually want images.
Honorable mention: Surf, when you really, really want a modern browser with a minimum of fluff.
Also, elinks seems to be in active development again, so it definitely deserves a place on the list. :)
cc: @mirabilos, the lynx virtuoso
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