#ProgressAndPoverty

Doc Edward Morbius โญ•โ€‹dredmorbius@toot.cat
2025-04-22

@Dianora There are a few other economic concepts which are IMO key to developing any remedies and/or alternatives. I'll try to touch on the major ones here.

Wage/Rent pricing, mentioned above, is a key stumbling point. Smith:

A man must always live by his work, and his wages must at least be sufficient to maintain him. They must even upon most occasions be somewhat more, otherwise it would be impossible for him to bring up a family, and the race of such workmen could not last beyond the first generation.

en.wikisource.org/wiki/Page%3A

The Law of Rent and Iron Law of Wages (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Law_of_r en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_law) dictate that these dynamics are always in conflict and play, and crush the working class, most especially those who live by wage labour (or worse: piecework pay, see Smith's discussion of this for an eye-opener), and rent rather than own their domeciles. Both concepts date to the 18th / early 19th centuries, but are largely ignored in contemporary orthodoxy.

The "obvious" solutions, of, say, providing free/subsidised essentials to the working class or of critical goods and services (food, clothing, housing, education, healthcare) largely further exacerbate the existing perverse market dynamics. I am not saying DON'T help those in dire need. What I am saying is that if this is the sole and widespread remedy, that the underlying problems get worse: wages fall (because "welfare" benefits subsidise its costs rather than employers paying a living wage), education, housing, healthcare and other services get more expensive (because subsidies provide additional revenues).

Winston Churchill (another unlikely champion) noted this in 1906:

Some years ago in London there was a toll bar on a bridge across the Thames, and all the working people who lived on the south side of the river had to pay a daily toll of one penny for going and returning from their work. The spectacle of these poor people thus mulcted of so large a proportion of their earnings offended the public conscience, and agitation was set on foot, municipal authorities were roused, and at the cost of the taxpayers, the bridge was freed and the toll removed. All those people who used the bridge were saved sixpence a week, but within a very short time rents on the south side of the river were found to have risen about sixpence a week, or the amount of the toll which had been remitted!

landvaluetax.org/history/winst

Instead, a dual strategy of taxing rents (generally: providers of the goods/services above or those acting similarly economically), and providing for increased labour bargaining power though an improved best alternative to negotiated agreement (BATNA) and coordinated negotiation power (a/k/a Labour Unionisation) is necessary. Both of course run into the Wealth is Power and Logic of Collective Action (Mancur Olson, 1965: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Logi) problems.

Direct subsidies / contributions as emergency measures directed at dire immediate circumstances are ABSOLUTELY of value. **But they should result in direction to directly addressing the rents/wages dichotomy.

A business which cannot pay a living wage and survive economically is a charity conducted to the benefit of its owner at the cost of its workers, or is provisioning public goods which should see a subsidy in their provision through tax revenues and transfer payments. Below-subsistence wages and labour supports only exacerbate the underlying problem.

Private ownership of real estate is a surprisingly recent development, displacing earlier feudal or monarchical rents (often very long-term leases) largely in the late 19th century. Among the few explorations of this history I've found is Simon Winchester's Land (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Land_(bo). And of course there's Henry George's Progress and Poverty (en.wikisource.org/wiki/Progres), championing the Land Value Tax (along with: Adam Smith, David Ricardo, and Milton Friedman (!!!), to name just a few. Social housing has its failures, but also successes, including the Fuggerei (Augsburg, Germany, created by the Fugger family in 1516 and continuing to serve to this day: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fuggerei), Vienna, and Japan (through both market and government actions, in part through some idiosyncratic practices).

Housing cannot be both affordable and an investment asset. And of the two, the first function is primal.

Incidentally, I suspect that a large part of the US growth in homelessness may be directly attributable to going off the gold standard, itself a response to the country's peak-oil moment and reliance on foreign energy imports, driving banks and financial institutions to find an alternate asset class: news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2.

Next are some more obscure economic principles, somewhat addressed in the mainstream, but highly underappreciated ...

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#economics #orthodoxEconomics #critique #wages #rents #LawOfRent #IronLawOfWages #MancurOlson #UBI #unions #LogicOfCollectiveAction #RealEstate #homelessness #OilCrisis #PeakOil #Fuggerei #ProgressAndPoverty #HenryGeorge #DavidRicardo #SimonWinchester #AffordableHousing #AssetHousing #BusinessAsCharity #tootstorm

Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2024-12-02

Michael Mosbacher's article in The Sunday Telegraph displays such a remarkable misrepresentation of the principles of #Georgism that one can only surmise he is deliberately spreading #disinformation about #HenryGeorge and the nature of land values in #economics.

George and Marx were not at all allies. Marx resoundingly disdained #ProgressAndPoverty, while George never read Marx. While George was sympathetic to the goals of socialism, he was a staunch capitalist.

telegraph.co.uk/money/tax/marx

Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2024-11-26

The #housing shortage will be solved when there is so much supply of vacant housing that #landlords are forced to compete for tenants.

Remember the old adage, "The customer is always right?" Try to remember that the tenant is the customer, not the landlord.

How do we get from here to the promised land? Tax land values instead of building values and incomes.

#Georgism #HenryGeorge #ProgressAndPoverty #LVT #UBI #LandValueTax #LandValueTaxSolvesThis #WeMustMakeLandCommonProperty

#urbanism

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2024-11-19

@spacehobo @AlisonW @AlisonW profit and loss based taxes (eg. income tax) are really, REALLY dumb, taxes paid at the point of purchase/consumption are infinity more sane. of course you need to ensure that fresh, non-processed foods and sanitary items are not taxed but that's easy to enforce.

when it comes to land, taxes are relative to the improved value, ie. whether the land is making an income, if the land doesn't make an income it doesn't get taxed, UNLESS the people vote that the land NEEDS to make an income and so then the tax is for not using the land for its intended purpose.

you'd think this stuff would be simple, but #HenryGeorge wrote #ProgressAndPoverty over 100 years ago and ppl still havent demanded common sense.

Basically #land and #consumption of #luxuryGoods are the things that need to be taxed but somewhere along the line the criminal banking syndicate got control of us.... (1906-1913 if my memory serves).

#incometax #geoism #georgism #landtax

Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2024-11-18

@brendan Not this Vermonter. This Vermonter wants #Vermont to move away from taxing building values and toward taxing land values. Land value taxation is the only legitimate form of taxation, but at least property tax as it is captures land values to some extent, which makes it the most fair and just form of taxation we currently have. #LandValueTax should be the only tax, the #SingleTax. Land values should be taxed at a rate of 100%. #HenryGeorge #ProgressAndPoverty #LVT #Georgism

Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2024-10-07

#HenryGeorge #ProgressAndPoverty #1879 Book X, Chapter 4: How Modern Civilization May Decline

Excerpted text from Henry George, "Progress and Poverty" (1879), Book X Chapter 4, "How Modern Civilization May Decline". 

' To turn a republican government into a despotism the basest and most brutal, it is not necessary formally to change its constitution or abandon popular elections. It was centuries after Cรฆsar before the absolute master of the Roman world pretended to rule other than by authority of a Senate that trembled before him.

But forms are nothing when substance has gone, and the forms of popular government are those from which the substance of freedom may most easily go. Extremes meet, and a government of universal suffrage and theoretical equality may, under conditions which impel the change, most readily become a despotism. For there despotism advances in the name and with the might of the people. The single source of power once secured, everything is secured. There is no unfranchised class to whom appeal may be made, no privileged orders who in defending their own rights may defend those of all. No bulwark remains to stay the flood, no eminence to rise above it. They were belted barons led by a mitered archbishop who curbed the Plantagenet with Magna Charta; it was the middle classes who broke the pride of the Stuarts; but a mere aristocracy of wealth will never struggle while it can hope to bribe a tyrant. ' (alt text continued in next post)
Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2024-07-23

LRT: And yet, every time we #Georgists point out that land is still and will always be the basis of all economies, we get ridiculed. Maybe the rich know something our detractors donโ€™t.

#Georgism #Geolibertarianism #HenryGeorge #LandValueTax #LVT #LandValueTaxSolvesThis #WeMustMakeLandCommonProperty #ProgressAndPoverty #USpol #LandPolicy

Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2024-06-03

#HenryGeorgeโ€™s #ProgressAndPoverty (1879) was among the most important and widely read #books published in the 19th cen., but Georgeโ€™s work and the #SingleTax movement it spawned had faded from common knowledge by the 1930s. Today, #Georgist ideas are beginning to receive renewed interest, as #housing affordability has become a political issue around the world, making this a good a time to revisit this important text. #economics #urbanism #PoliticalEconomy #Georgism

econlib.org/library/columns/y2

Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2024-01-02

@argv_minus_one @pmonks #HenryGeorge has a great passage in Book X, Chapter 4 of #ProgressAndPoverty about how democratic societies are easily subverted if the will of the people is subverted, because there is no higher authority to which to then turn.

To turn a republican government into a despotism the basest and most brutal, it is not necessary formally to change its constitution or abandon popular elections. It was centuries after Cรฆsar before the absolute master of the Roman world pretended to rule other than by authority of a Senate that trembled before him.

But forms are nothing when substance has gone, and the forms of popular government are those from which the substance of freedom may most easily go. Extremes meet, and a government of universal suffrage and theoretical equality may, under conditions which impel the change, most readily become a despotism. For there despotism advances in the name and with the might of the people. The single source of power once secured, everything is secured. There is no unfranchised class to whom appeal may be made, no privileged orders who in defending their own rights may defend those of all.
Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2023-11-14

The hit piece the #NYTimes published the other day by #ConorDougherty on #Georgism has really got me down about the state of #journalism in our #society. It was so full of #disinformation and #misinformation, and that has been the struggle with instituting #LandValueTax all alongโ€”despite the fact that #HenryGeorge anticipated possible objections to #LVT in advance when #ProgressAndPoverty was first published in 1879, audiences today have not actually read it and donโ€™t understand it.

Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2023-11-01
Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2023-10-28

I just realised that the @internetarchive has torrent files, so I just added the entire 10-volume Doubleday 1904 edition of "The Complete Works of Henry George" to my BitTorrent server (which only holds #copyleft and #publicdomain works). #HenryGeorge #ProgressAndPoverty #SingleTax #LandValueTax #LVT #Urbanism #Geolibertarianism #Georgism #JustRent #politicaleconomy #economics #politics #polisci #uspol #SocialProblems #ProtectionOrFreeTrade

2023-10-27

"It's not your own fault. It is the fault of the way we have organized our #economy, the way we've allowed certain things to develop unchecked and uncontrolled. There's no reason for anybody to be poor in #America." โ€“ #ProgressAndPoverty, 1879, by #HenryGeorge

We've long known yet nothing fundamentally has changed.

#TheGildedAgePBS #PBS #AmericanExperience

#link: pbs.org/video/the-vote-part-1-

#link: youtu.be/yjpYzFtxfjU?si=3SwIhg

Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2023-10-02

Last RT: San Francisco and California #NIMBYism is what caused this. This is literally the design goal of #neoliberalism. #HenryGeorge warned us all about this over 140 years ago in #ProgressAndPoverty. Few listened.

$28,000/mo rent for a fast food concession in this mall, and the landlord won't lower the rent with reasonable, realistic terms. It's the rent, stupid, not the drugs and homelessness.

2023-05-08

@Mulgrew I would highly recommend #HenryGeorge 's #ProgressAndPoverty. It starts out dry, but if you push past that, it is a really engaging book. You can listen to the whole thing for free here...
podcasts.google.com/feed/aHR0c

Gemma โญ๏ธ๐Ÿ”ฐ๐Ÿ‡บ๐Ÿ‡ธ ๐Ÿ‡ต๐Ÿ‡ญ ๐ŸŽgcvsa@mstdn.plus
2023-03-30

As I've stated many times in the past, the basis of #Liberty is, and can only possibly be, Equality. This is true whether you are concerning yourself with "negative" liberty (freedom from restraint) or "positive" liberty (ability to act).

The fundamental problem with politics in human civilization ultimately stems from a misconception of what constitutes #Property. #HenryGeorge made the best case for this in #ProgressAndPoverty, in 1879.

Dick Smiths Fair Go Supportersdsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2021-07-27
Dick Smiths Fair Go Supportersdsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2021-06-08

@mwlucas
Fair enough.

We see reports like this all the time and they always seem to elevate the flawed #profitLoss based #taxation methodology and decry greater #enforcement, which won't work. The #kleptocrats know how to engineer losses.

Following on from #HenryGeorge and his book #ProgressAndPoverty, the best way forward is still a Progressive Land Tax on Improved (Rental) Value.

Dick Smiths Fair Go Supportersdsfgs@activism.openworlds.info
2021-05-30
Doc Edward Morbius โญ•โ€‹dredmorbius@toot.cat
2020-11-30

Henry George's Progress and Poverty is now available as aa beautifully formatted, free, ebook

Progress and Poverty, first published in 1879, was American political economist Henry Georgeโ€™s most popular book. It explores why the economy of the mid-to-late 1800s had seen a simultaneous economic growth and growth in poverty. The bookโ€™s appeal was in its balance of moral and economic arguments, challenging the popular notion that the poor, through uncontrolled population growth, were responsible for their own woes. Inspired by his years living in San Francisco and his own experience with privation, George argues instead that poverty had grown due to the increasing speculation and monopolization of land, as landowners had captured the increases in growth, investment, and productivity through the rising cost of rent.

To solve this, George proposes the complete taxation of the unimproved value of land, thus returning the value of land, created through location, to the community. This solution would incentivize individuals to use the land they own productively and remove the tendency to speculate upon landโ€™s increasing value. Georgeโ€™s argument was profoundly liberal, as individuals retain the right to own land and enjoy the profits generated from production upon it.

standardebooks.org/ebooks/henr

h/t Paul Beard
nitter.net/paulbeard/status/13

#HenryGeorge #ProgressAndPoverty #Georgism #LVT #LandValueTax #StandardEBooks

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