@KazukyAkayashi je suis plutot utilisateur de #xmpp donc #conversations.

L'interface m'a parue plus compliquée. Trop d'options (genre la barre de navigation, les notes privées...)

Pas d'explication sur l'intérêt de monter un serveur. Si j'ai bien compris, les messages font du routing par les serveurs de SimpleX même si on monte son serveur.

Je comprends et j'adhère a l'architecture. Mais voila, je ne voudrais pas que ce soit plus complexe que #quicksy

This week in #FDroid (TWIF) is live, a bit late:

* #reproducible status in website app details
* #Conversations_im & #Quicksy fix bugs
* Linwood Butterfly Adonis Blue
* #OSUOSL news
* #SECUSO updates many #PrivacyFriendlyApps
+ 1 new app
+ 112 updates

Check https://f-droid.org/2025/05/01/twif.html

Just a clarification, I meant when making a different choice, we lose our contacts who refuse to take extra effort.

What #Quicksy made possible is, people who want convenience can talk to people who are willing to make extra efforts for #privacy using the same app.

So now both needs can be satisfied without losing the ability to talk to each other.

#xmpp

Many people expect to use a messaging app by just entering their phone number.

Traditionally it was not possible to make other choices. #Quicksy made it possible to satisify this without requiring the exact same choice by other who want more #privacy from the provider by being interoperable with any #XMPP app out there.

#Prav is making Quicksy democratic by offering the same idea as a #cooperative.

So this means we have to send SMS to users, and need your support.

https://opencollective.com/pravapp/projects/hosting-and-sms

By the way, if you don't know what XMPP is. It is a messaging protocol. You can get started with #Quicksy or #Prav.

@vort3 @ravi more exactly Quicksy fork, so now people can choose between #Quicksy and #Prav. The value addition over conversations is, this bindling of app, client and a directory makes joining #xmpp easy for people who are used to apps that only needs your phone number.

@stefan @bjoern uh in terms of onboarding people there's #Prav and #Quicksy which are just "download it from the store and enter your phone number" which is especially helpful when the other person is far away or doesn't have time/patience to figure things out ⬇️

Both send people to specific servers, so you can't do the "pick *this* server" thing, but at least they've got one foot into the network. (For self-hosters, #Snikket is kinda similar with closed invites to your own server) :snikket:

Was having issues with #Signal notifications again, so I set my mom up with #Quicksy #XMPP as a backup messenger in case she can't get hold of me on Signal. I'm still using #Conversations, but talking her thru setting up Quicksy was straight forward and simple.

I'll probably go down and set up #Dino on her desktop PC sometime tomorrow so she has something she can use on her PC.

Thanks to @daniel for all his hard work on both Conversations, Quicksy and XMPP, 🙂

@janvlug The same way, not every user will have to modify #FreeSoftware to benefit from right to modify.

Why should we accept the monopoly of a single organization to make changes on the server ? Especially those of us in the Free Software community who understand Free Software includes the right to modify.

When we can have both a simplified option for masses (#Quicksy and #Prav) AND choices for people who need (Monocles Chat, Snikket, Monal etc), then why give up on choices ? #xmpp

@janvlug We already improved #Quicksy with #Prav for SMS delivery. In countries like Nepal and Brazil, Quicksy SMS was not working. We changed our SMS provider in Prav and Prav SMS works in these countries.

So even if every person can't modify the server, as a collective, we can change the server too. For users this comes as choices. Both Quicksy and Prav are hosted and operated from outside US. So people get a choice of laws applicable to the service as well.

@janvlug #Signal is better than #WhatsApp, but still centralized. The entire world depending on a Single organization is not very sustainable. We have Quicksy and Prav both giving the same convenience of Signal without lock-in. #Quicksy and #Prav users can talk to each other and to any other #XMPP app.

To actually practice the freedom to improve a software, we should be able to self host the server part (not necessarily each person has to self host, but that option can offer real choice).

@lascapi @debacle @Goffi @xmpp @snikket_im @daniel Thing is I would see it easier to convince family and friends to use such a system if I can tell that they can use it w anyone else too.

I convince them, they convince others.

I would be self hosting but for the majority that do not know how, they could use #quicksy and the two systems would interoperate.

@iznogoud @xmpp indeed, contact discovery is an identified issue.

There are some answers, such as Snikket from @snikket_im which uses an invitation mechanism, or Quicksy authored by @daniel which uses phone number as other IM platforms.

I have ideas for another decentralized contact discovery mechanism, but lacking time to work on it and specify it right now. @debacle is also interested in working on such specification.

There are also public search mechanisms.

#Snikket #Quicksy #XMPP

To the #XMPP community, is it possible today to set up a federated, phone number-based user addressing kind of chat network to progressively replace whatsapp and signal ?

A bit like #quicksy but where the server hosting your ID is where you want it to be, e.g. a VPS or your home.

#instantmessaging #privacy #unplugtrump

@bshankar I wanted to comment on your blog post https://bshankar.pages.dev/getting-family-on-xmpp/ (saw it on fsci group)

#Quicksy would have been the simpler option for most people. But unfortunately Quicksy is mostly driven by a single person from Germany and mass adoption and publicity seem to be not a priority for them. So we are trying to promote the idea of Quicksy through a cooperative run project called @prav You are welcome to join this effort to take the idea Quicksy to the masses.

#xmpp #FreeSoftware #Prav

https://codeberg.org/TheBigOCommunity/communications

Communicaions

Thank you

#edwardsnowden
#freesoftware
#prav
#quicksy
#taiga
#penpot
#briar
#session
#simplex
#codeberg
#gitlab

and you cutie #mastodon

thank you!!♥️♥️♥️

Any developers willing to port/adapt/rewrite #ejabberd api component of #Quicksy server to work with #prosody #xmpp server?

Basically we want to create xmpp accounts via a server component after verifying phone number with sms otp.

Currently it is possible to do this on ejabberd, but adding prosody support will make it easy to add phone number verification to prosody as well. Adding phone number verification or an invite to create account will help stop #spam accounts by a huge margin.

Are you and #android developer? Would you like to contribute to #Prav? Here is a small task for anyone to try making a small contribution / getting your hands dirty...

https://codeberg.org/prav/IssueTracker/issues/2#issuecomment-2920546

Context: #Quicksy and hence #Prav currently takes phone number as the username. But this makes a lot of people reluctant to use / promote Prav. So we raised funds and hired a local company Softrate to do the work. But we need to troubleshoot why this is not working as intended.

#XMPP #FreeSoftware

My grandmother recently got locked out of #WhatsApp because her phone broke, and the spare one we had on hand is one WhatsApp has decided is too old to run on 💀

Fortunately, #XMPP has no such qualms! She's currently keeping up with the family group chat on #Quicksy while others of us use #Conversations, #DinoIM, and #Gajim. (Of course, extended family and friends are another matter 😔)

This serves as a reminder that closed apps may close you out—but open protocols have your back forever! :xmpp: