#modality

You might could dig these multiple modals

A passage from Walter Mosley’s Devil in a Blue Dress:

Joppy stopped wiping [the bar] for a moment and looked me in the eye.
“Don’t get me wrong, Ease. DeWitt is a tough man, and he runs in bad company. But you still might could get that mortgage payment an’ you might even learn sumpin’ from’im.”

That ‘might could get’ was a serendipitous phrase to encounter. Over the preceding days I’d come across several treatments of what are known as double modals or multiple modals, and had been considering a blog post about them. Hint taken.

Brad Dourif in ‘Deadwood’

First, a technical note on modals. These are a small and grammatically unusual family of verbs. They’re a subset of the auxiliary (helper) verbs and so are sometimes called modal auxiliaries. They qualify other verbs in a verb phrase, influencing the overall meaning: I can go, you may be, she must try. Geoffrey Pullum says there are 8–12 of them in English:

can, may, shall, will, dare, must, need, ought

He and Rodney Huddleston mention could, might, should and would as the preterite forms (past tense marked by inflection) of the first four. Grammarians differ slightly in naming the family members; this depends on the category boundaries, and needn’t concern us here.

Modals are used to indicate modality, or ‘mood’ – not in the sense of atmosphere, but to express possibility, permission, obligation, necessity, deduction, prediction and such things. Heather Marie Kosur writes that modality ‘allows language users to express what is, what would be, what may be, and what should be’.

Modern grammar generally divides modality into two or three branches: epistemic (probability, deduction, necessity) and deontic (duty, obligation, permission), and sometimes also dynamic (factual). See this glossary, or Kosur’s essay for a more detailed treatment.

Unlike lexical verbs, modals have no to-infinitives, no –s forms for subject agreement, and no tenses formed with be or have. So you don’t see oughting, mights or musted, etc. At least, not normally (James Joyce, Finnegans Wake: ‘when cherries next come back to Ealing as come they must, as they musted in their past’).

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And so to double or multiple modals: might could, may would and the like.

Megan Risdal, in a recent post at For the Love of Linguistics, used a map of ‘might could’ usage to gauge its geographic distribution in the U.S. She also studied the reactions double modals inspire, and shared her thoughtful observations.

As I wrote in a comment there, double modals are not in my idiolect, but I find them charming. They’re also interesting grammatically, semantically, and sociolinguistically. They may be used with subtlety by those to whom they come naturally: to modify the degree of likelihood or speculation expressed, for example.

Multiple modals also popped up in an article on the influence of Scotch-Irish [PDF] on East Tennessee grammar, which John Cowan shared in a comment to my recent post on Hiberno-English till. The article’s author, Michael Montgomery, is one of the people behind MultiMo: The Database of Multiple Modals, which launched last week.

MultiMo offers, among other things, a multi-page table of reported examples, including some rare and delightful triple modals:

I might could should write home.

It’s a long way and he might will can’t come, but I’m gonna ask.

Aren’t they amazing? What is grammatical in standard English is often erroneously equated with what is grammatical, period. But grammaticality differs with dialect, and standard English is just one dialect (or a set of them) — privileged socially but not linguistically.

If you’re still with me, and you might would be hungry for more, Language Log has analysed double modals on several occasions; for starters see this post by Ben Zimmer and the pages it links to.

I’ll conclude as I began, with Devil in a Blue Dress:

I always tried to speak proper English in my life, the kind of English they taught in school, but I found over the years that I could only truly express myself in the natural, “uneducated” dialect of my upbringing.

Update: More discussion of double modals at Language Hat, who says:

They are a peripheral part of my dialect thanks to my Ozark ancestors, and while I don’t use them on a daily basis, I delight in tossing them into the mix once in a while; they give me that warm down-home feeling.

#crimeFiction #dialects #grammar #language #linguistics #modalVerbs #modality #modals #multipleModals #semantics #syntax #usage #verbs #WalterMosley #words

🕵️old klezmers🎻carkner@klezmor.im
2025-12-11

possibly beyond my brain's ability to understand but here's a hot-off-the-presses academic article examining musical modes in klezmer 😲🎶
mtosmt.org/issues/mto.25.31.3/

#klezmer #MusicTheory #MusicalModes #modality #JewishMusic

2025-05-15

Suppose the necessity of possibilities transcends the actuality of laws. If the
transcendental presupposes such knowledge is beyond the laws of being, is the supposition free from the presupposition? #Truth #Values #Modality #Suppose #Presuppositions #laws #transcendentalthinking

2025-05-07

It might not be much to be joyful for, but the evil oligarchs and their criminal clowns cannot eliminate the possibility of an ethically sustainable morality. Neither in this galaxy or the cosmos, can they eliminate the possibility that they will experience the hell they create in this life or the next. #DivineJustice #Life #Death #Rebirth #RealPossibilities #Modality #CapitalInjustice #HumanJustice #Choices #CapitalJustice #Depression #JudgementDay #Joy #MentalHealth #EthicallySustainableMorality

2025-03-17

My North American tour is just about over, and it’s gone better than I could have hoped, with excellent discussions with colleagues at Chapman, UC Berkeley, UC Davis and Calgary, and really helpful questions and feedback at each of my talks.

My last talk of this trip will be this afternoon, at the CUNY Graduate Center, for the Logic and Metaphysics Workshop.

consequently.org/presentation/

#logic #metaphysics #philosophy #modality

2024-06-19

Inspiring presentations by Lauri Palsa, Karoliina Snell and Janne Fagerlund during the panel "Connecting the dots towards possible futures: Exploring levels of data literacy" at the Imaging Possible Futures conference at the University of Jyväskylä. Happy to join the panel with the #CriticalDataLit project and discuss on data literacy from various perspectives. Big thanks to Lauri Palsa and the team behind the #Modality research project for making this happen!

2024-03-12

'Efficient Modality Selection in Multimodal Learning', by Yifei He, Runxiang Cheng, Gargi Balasubramaniam, Yao-Hung Hubert Tsai, Han Zhao.

jmlr.org/papers/v25/23-0439.ht

#multimodal #modality #modalities

Nathan Schneidercomplingy@sigmoid.social
2023-12-13

Received a grammar question about requests like "May you update the team?" ("may" instead of "would" or "can"). Has anybody heard of this phenomenon? #Linguistics #modality

Published papers at TMLRtmlrpub@sigmoid.social
2023-09-06

Detecting incidental correlation in multimodal learning via latent variable modeling

Taro Makino, Yixin Wang, Krzysztof J. Geras, Kyunghyun Cho

Action editor: Thang Bui.

openreview.net/forum?id=QoRo9Q

#multimodal #modality #variational

2023-07-27

This afternoon I had the pleasure of sneaking in to a session of Scottish Programming Languages and Verification Summer School, organised by @edwinb and colleagues in Computer Science at St Andrews.

@dorchard gave a neat talk on graded modalities. It’s neat to see substructural logics applied in the wild, and there was some logical insight, too, on the different behaviour of box-type and diamond-type modalities in a constructive setting.

#logic #modality #prooftheory

Dominic Orchard, gesturing at a slide in a presentation about graded modalities. The key point is that there is a significant difference between box-type modalities (which can be seen to manipulate coeffects) and diamond-type modalities (which manipulate effects), in parallel with the left/right asymmetry in the term-assignment setting of the λ calculus.
Published papers at TMLRtmlrpub@sigmoid.social
2023-05-31

High-Modality Multimodal Transformer: Quantifying Modality & Interaction Heterogeneity for High-M...

Paul Pu Liang, Yiwei Lyu, Xiang Fan et al.

Action editor: Brian Kingsbury.

openreview.net/forum?id=ttzypy

#multimodal #modality #gestures

New Submissions to TMLRtmlrsub@sigmoid.social
2023-05-07

Detecting incidental correlation in multimodal learning via latent variable modeling

openreview.net/forum?id=QoRo9Q

#multimodal #modality #variational

Anatula - Travellin' SalesduckAnatMerchant
2023-04-13
Published papers at TMLRtmlrpub@sigmoid.social
2023-01-19

PolyViT: Co-training Vision Transformers on Images, Videos and Audio

Valerii Likhosherstov, Anurag Arnab, Krzysztof Marcin Choromanski et al.

openreview.net/forum?id=zKnqZe

#videos #polyvit #modality

New Submissions to TMLRtmlrsub@sigmoid.social
2022-12-22

HighMMT: Quantifying Modality & Interaction Heterogeneity for High-Modality Representation Learning

openreview.net/forum?id=ttzypy

#multimodal #modality #gestures

2022-12-17

Speakers aren't blank slates (with respect to sign-language phonology)!

sciencedirect.com/science/arti

Asks the straightforward (but overlooked) question:
"Is phonological knowledge, in fact, fully modality-specific?"

➡️ Not just whether spoken & sign languages share formal structures
➡️ Nor if speakers & signers rely on common brain regions

But (to be concrete) can an English speaker extract some of the phonological structure of ASL signs?

#Sign #phonology #modality

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