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RE: https://bsky.app/profile/did:plc:qdcrtszsols5wmoyzdfxusrt/post/3mfwu3ehqhk2v

# CSD
Reading up on CSD, client side decorations

Client side decorations give a lot of headaches when they're not properly implemented many of these mods should just stay with SSD, server side decorations

Quote
> GtkHeaderBar merges the title bar, menu bar and tool bar into one unified horizontal bar to give more space to the application content, potentially reducing the amount of wasted space by showing empty bars.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client-side_decoration?wprov=sfla1

#GUI #TUI #CSD #design #40years #fvwm #twm #Xorg #programming #technology #DE #desktop #environment #WM #window #manager #FluxBox #XFCE #KDE #GNOME #design

You're absolutely right there are worse things occuring.

But the following is a bad CSD

CSD In Firefox mobile

• Something odd was changed in the user interface; the sidebar it's actually the menu that you get when you tap on the double point in the lower right corner, was transformed into this massive monstrosity which covers the whole Android display.
• It distracts
• All the extra information is useless
• it takes many more GPU Cycles to throw that big thing on the screen
• no one was consulted within the user base would tell them that it just makes everything worse, because you don't see anything underneath

CSD Enshittification Factor

Instead of going on I'll just stick with what that still works I may need to go all the way back to that MX Linux distro which at least feels familiar and use as many clients that don't abuse CSDs

One more question; what example do you have of something that's worse than client-side decorations

IMHO the one I just referred too, is a very bad one

Quote Wikipedia:

Limitations
If the application hangs, the user cannot close it by clicking the close button in the window frame.[12]

BTW to prove your point;

It took me 15 minutes to compose this lousy small message on the Android. It would have taken me 120 seconds on one of the desktops running here
All because of horrific user interfaces low free RAM and bad CSD choices on the Android

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Client-side_decoration?wprov=sfla1

#GUI #TUI #CSD #design #40years #fvwm #twm #Xorg #programming #technology #user #environment #DE #desktop #environment #WM #window #manager #FluxBox #XFCE #KDE #GNOME #design

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