#QuotePosts

2025-06-12

Cool. 😎

Mastodon is planning to release a new update, version 4.4, with the first beta now available. The biggest feature of the patch is that it will display quoted posts. The highly requested feature will only be fully available in version 4.5, which will include the ability for users to create quoted posts. Mastodon CTO Renaud Chaput says that he expects version 4.4 to be released at the end of June, with version 4.5 scheduled a few months later.

#QuotePosts #Mastodon #NewFeatures

2025-06-11
Are you referring to my mentions being @Erik :heart_agender: and @Roknrol rather than what you're used to, namely @⁠bright_helpings and @⁠roknrol? Using the long name rather than the short name and keeping the @ outside the link rather than making it part of the link? Likewise, the # being outside the hashtag link rather than being part of it?

This is because I'm not on Mastodon. The Fediverse is not only Mastodon. It has never been. So this is not a toot.

No, really. This is what I post from: https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/channel/jupiter_rowland, https://hub.netzgemeinde.eu/profile/jupiter_rowland. I ask you: Does this look like Mastodon? Have you ever seen Mastodon look like this?

Where I am, this style of mentions and hashtags is hard-coded. And it has been since long before Mastodon was even an idea.

I'm on something named Hubzilla. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon instance. Hubzilla is not a Mastodon fork either. Hubzilla has got absolutely nothing to do with Mastodon at all.

It is its very own project, fully independent from Mastodon (https://hubzilla.org, https://framagit.org/hubzilla, https://joinfediverse.wiki/Hubzilla).

Hubzilla has not intruded into "the Mastodon Fediverse" either. The Fediverse is older than Mastodon. And Hubzilla was there before Mastodon.

Hubzilla was launched by @Mike Macgirvin ?️ in March, 2015, eight months before Mastodon, by renaming and redesigning his own Red Matrix from 2012, almost four years before Mastodon. And the Red Matrix was a fork of a fork of his own Friendica, which was launched on July 2nd, 2010, 15 years ago, five and a half years before Mastodon. (https://en.wikipedia.org/Friendica, https://friendi.ca, https://github.com/friendica, https://joinfediverse.wiki/Friendica)

Friendica was there before Mastodon, too.

Here's the official Friendica/Hubzilla timeline on Hubzilla's official website to show you that I'm not making anything up: https://hubzilla.org/page/info/timeline. Scroll all the way down and notice all the features that you may right now know for a fact that the Fediverse doesn't have, but that Friendica has introduced to the Fediverse 15 years ago, five and a half years before Mastodon was launched.

Again, Mastodon has never been its own network. The Fediverse has never been only Mastodon. When Mastodon was launched in January, 2016, it immediately federated with

Friendica has been formatting mentions and hashtags the way I just did for 15 years now. When Mastodon was launched, Friendica has been formatting them that way for five and a half years already, and Hubzilla has done so for ten months. It is hard-coded there. It is not a user option.

That's because not everything in the Fediverse is a Twitter clone or Twitter alternative. [b]Friendica was designed as a Facebook alternative with full-blown long-form blogging capability. And Hubzilla adds even more stuff to this. This is why Friendica and Hubzilla don't mimic Twitter.

Another shocking fact: As you can clearly see here, Friendica and Hubzilla don't have Mastodon's 500-character limit. Friendica's character limit is 200,000. Hubzilla's character limit is 16,777,215, the maximum length of the database field. And it's deeply engrained in their culture, which is many years older than Mastodon's culture, to not worry about the length of a post exceeding 500 characters.

One more shocking fact: Friendica has had quote-posts since its very beginning. So has Hubzilla. Both have always been able to quote-post any public Mastodon toot, and they will forever remain able to quote-post any public Mastodon toot. And Mastodon will never be able to do anything against it. (By the way: In 15 years of Friendica, nobody has ever used quote-posts for dogpiling or harassment purposes. Neither Friendica nor Hubzilla is Twitter.)

You find this disturbing? You think none of this should exist in the Fediverse, even though all this has been in the Fediverse for longer than Mastodon?

Then go ahead and block all instances of Friendica and Hubzilla as well as all instances of Mike's later creations, (streams) (https://codeberg.org/streams/streams) from 2021 and Forte (https://codeberg.org/fortified/forte) from 2024.

Or you could go ask @Seirdy / DM me the word "bread" and @Garden Fence Blocklist as well as @Mad Villain of @The Bad Space to add every last instance on any of these lists to their blocklists for being "rampantly and unabashedly ableist and xenophobic by design" due to not being and acting and working like Mastodon and just as rampantly and unabashedly refusing to fully adopt and adapt to the Mastodon-centric "Fediverse culture" as defined by fresh Twitter refugees on Mastodon in mid-2022 as well as refusing to abandon their own culture which is disturbingly incompatible with Mastodon's. Essentially try and have four entire Fediverse server applications Fediblocked once and for all because they're so disturbing from a "Fediverse equals Mastodon" point of view.

Or you could go to Mastodon's GitHub repository (https://github.com/mastodon/mastodon), submit a feature request for defederating Mastodon from everything that isn't Mastodon by design and then go lobbying for support for your feature request.

As for why I have so many hashtags below my comments, here is what they mean. Many of them are meant to trigger filters, including such that automatically hide posts behind content warning buttons, a feature that Mastodon has had since October, 2022, that Friendica has had since July, 2010, and that Hubzilla has had since March, 2015.

  • #Long, #LongPost = This post is over 500 characters long. Create a filter for either or both of these hashtags if you don't want to see my or anyone else's long posts.
  • #CWLong, #CWLongPost = CW: long post (over 500 characters long). Create a filter for either or both of these hashtags if you don't want to see my or anyone else's long posts.
  • #FediMeta, #FediverseMeta = This post talks about the Fediverse. Create a filter for either or both of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone talk about the Fediverse.
  • #CWFediMeta, #CWFediverseMeta = CW: Fediverse meta. Or: CW: Fediverse meta, Fediverse-beyond-Mastodon meta. Or: CW: Fediverse meta, non-Mastodon Fediverse meta. Create a filter for either or both of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone talk about the Fediverse.
  • #NotOnlyMastodon, #FediverseIsNotMastodon, #MastodonIsNotTheFediverse: This post talks about the Fediverse not only being Mastodon. Create a filter for either or multiple or all of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about the Fediverse being more than Mastodon. Otherwise, click or tap any of these hashtags to read more about it in your Fediverse app.
  • #Friendica: This post talks about the Facebook alternative in the Fediverse named Friendica. Create a filter for it if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about Friendica. Otherwise, click or tap it to read more about it in your Fediverse app. It is also meant for post discovery.
  • #Hubzilla: This post talks about the Swiss army knif of the Fediverse named Hubzilla. Create a filter for it if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about Hubzilla. Otherwise, click or tap it to read more about it in your Fediverse app. It is also meant for post discovery.
  • #Streams, #(streams): This post talks about the Facebook alternative in the Fediverse commonly referred to as (streams). Create a filter for either or both of them if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about Friendica. Otherwise, click or tap either of them to read more about it in your Fediverse app. It is also meant for post discovery.
  • #Forte: This post talks about the Facebook alternative in the Fediverse named Forte. Create a filter for it if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about Forte. Otherwise, click or tap it to read more about it in your Fediverse app. It is also meant for post discovery.
  • #AltText = This post talks about alt-text and/or contains an image with alt-text. It is primarily meant for post discovery.
  • #AltTextMeta = This post talks about alt-text. Create a filter for this hashtag if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about alt-text.
  • #CWAltTextMeta = CW: alt-text meta. Create a filter for this hashtag if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about alt-text.
  • #ImageDescription = This post talks about image descriptions and/or contains an image with an image description. It is primarily meant for post discovery.
  • #ImageDescriptions, #ImageDescriptionMeta = This post talks about image descriptions. Create a filter for either of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about image descriptions.
  • #CWImageDescriptionMeta = CW: image description meta. Create a filter for this hashtag if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about image descriptions.
  • #Hashtag, #Hashtags, #HashtagMeta = This post talks about hashtags. Create a filter for either of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about hashtags.
  • #CWHashtagMeta = CW: hashtag meta. Create a filter for this hashtag if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about hashtags.
  • #CharacterLimit, #CharacterLimits = This post is talking about character limits. It is primarily meant for post discovery. But if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about character limits, create a filter for any of these hashtags.
  • #QuotePost, #QuoteTweet, #QuoteToot, #QuoteBoost = This post talks about quote-posts and/or contains a quote-post. If this disturbs you, create a filter for any of these hashtags.
  • #QuotePosts, #QuoteTweets, #QuoteToots, #QuoteBoosts, #QuotedShares = This post talks about quote-posts. Create a filter for either of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about quote-posts.
  • #QuotePostDebate, #QuoteTootDebate = This post talks about quote-posts. Create a filter for either of these hashtags if you don't want to see me or anyone else talk about quote-posts.
  • #FediblockMeta = This post is talking about fediblocks. It is primarily meant for post discovery.

Lastly: Having all hashtags in one line at the very end of a post that only contains hashtags is the preferred way in the Fediverse. For one, hashtags in their own line at the end of the post irritate screen reader users much less than hashtags in the middle of the text. It's actually hashtags in the middle of the text that are ableist. Besides, Mastodon is explicitly designed to have a separate hashtag line at the end of the post.
2025-06-10
@Scott M. Stolz Don't mix up quotes and quote-posts. They're something very different, not only in technology, but also in use-case and especially in cultural implications.

Whereas on platforms with threaded conversations, quotes are usually used in comments within a thread, and on many platforms, such comments could be removed by the thread owner.

This is a quote. Like in a bulletin-board forum. This is actually only used in comments. For Mastodon users, it's basically unimaginable that this ever happens in social media. Twitter has never had this, so most Mastodon users don't even know the very concept of this. Thus, it is not what they're upset about.

What Mastodon users are so upset about are quote-posts. What they refer to as "quote-posts" or "quote-toots" is what we call "shares" or "shared posts", what Twitter/X calls "quote-tweets", and what is used on Twitter/X for harassment and dogpiling purposes, namely this:

Scott M. Stolz wrote the following post Tue, 10 Jun 2025 08:54:18 +0200 It should be noted that Twitter-style platforms use quote posts in an entirely different way than platforms with threaded conversations.

With Mastodon, someone can quote you, criticize you, and then people dogpile on. Since it is not part of a thread, and is its own top level post, nothing can be done about it.

Whereas on platforms with threaded conversations, quotes are usually used in comments within a thread, and on many platforms, such comments could be removed by the thread owner. Yes, they can create new top level post quoting someone, but that seems to be used less on threaded conversation platforms than on Twitter style platforms.

This creates a different culture surrounding quoting people, since one has potential consequences and one does not.

Plus, I think there is also a cultural difference between people who want to broadcast their thoughts versus people who want to join conversations. People who want to participate in conversations are typically less hostile since they get banned or blocked pretty quickly. People who broadcast their posts just want as many followers to see it as possible and tend to block anyone that disagrees with them. It is a different mindset.

That is why Mastodon has to implement quote controls, but thread conversation platforms do not.

You should see that it's something completely different. This never happens within the same thread. It wouldn't make sense to quote-post/quote-tweet/share a post in a comment on that same post.

This is what Mastodon users what to have control over. This is what they want to prevent. Entirely. They would want a switch that makes Hubzilla hide the Share button under a post of theirs if they knew that a) Hubzilla exists, and b) Hubzilla can share posts/quote-post.

This is what @Mike Macgirvin ?️ keeps preaching over and over and over that literally the only possible way to keep this from happening is by not posting in public. For this is what neither Hubzilla nor Mike's own (streams) and Forte have a permission setting for because even their highly advanced and fine-grained permissions systems have no way of implementing actually water-tight quote-post control. So what chance does Mastodon have with its total lack of a permission system and no understanding of Hubzilla's, (streams)', Forte's or even only Friendica's permission system?

Mastodon doesn't have either implemented, neither quotes nor shares/quote-posts, at least not beyond displaying quotes properly formatted (it is working on displaying quote-posts properly formatted now). Hubzilla has inherited both from Friendica which has had both for 15 years.

CC: @Matteo (Mastodon)

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Mastodon #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #Quote #Quotes #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
2025-06-07
@Matteo (Mastodon) Nur daß ich nirgendwo ein Zitat sehe (und ich sehe den kompletten Thread auf einem Haufen) und auch keinen Quote-Post (hier auf Hubzilla sind das zwei total verschiedene Sachen, und Hubzilla hat schon immer beides unterstützt; das gilt für die ganze Software-Familie).

Wahrscheinlich wenden Phanpy und Tusky irgendeinen Trick an, der Mastodons Einschränkungen umgeht, der aber mit etablierten Standards völlig inkompatibel ist. Wahrscheinlich wissen die Entwickler weder von Phanpy noch von Tusky, daß es Quote-Posts im Fediverse schon gibt, geschweige denn, wie die gemacht werden. Also hat sich da jemand etwas völlig Neues ausgedacht, das dann nur von ein, zwei Mastodon-Apps unterstützt wird, aber von keiner einzigen Serversoftware, die Quote-Posts eingebaut hat.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Hubzilla #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteTröt #QuoteTröts #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebatte #QuoteTrötDebatte
2025-06-06
@Matteo (Mastodon)
Anyone can copy text from anywhere, start a new thread in the Fediverse, copy it in there, mark it as a quote or not, and make fun of the author.

And if that fails, they'll resort to what they've always been doing: screenshots. Not even (streams) and Forte with their advanced permissions systems can keep people from taking screenshots. (Then again, they don't have a quote-post permission setting either because such a thing wouldn't work across the Fediverse anyway.)

In the meantime, Friendica has had quote-posts for a decade and a half, and they've always been used sincerely, believe it or not. Same on Friendica's various descendants.

If the author is not fairly mentioned in the thread, he may never find out about it and be able to defend himselve.

If you're quote-posted from Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) or Forte, you're automatically notified as if you've been mentioned. I'm not sure about those server apps that have implemented Misskey's way of quote-posting, though.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Misskey #Forkey #Forkeys #Friendica #Hubzilla #Streams #(streams) #Forte #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #QuotePostDebate #QuoteTootDebate
2025-06-06
@@reiver ⊼ (Charles) :batman:
I didn't know Hubzilla had been doing quote-posts for so long — very cool.

It has indirectly inherited them from Friendica, and Friendica was born with quote-posts as early as 2010.

#FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotedShares #Friendica #Hubzilla
2025-06-06

Mastodon will implement quote-posts starting with v4.4, which is already available as a preview on the flagship instance Mastodon.social. I use Bridgy Fed to automatically crosspost from Bsky – including quote-posts – to the Fediverse. I’m curious what’s causing the “pending approval” message … 🤔

Screenshot of a Bluesky quote-post by Joé McKen (‪@joemcken.net‬): “LOL. ‘We’re gonna jack the price of developing for us to the stratosphere, and then we’re gonna take your profits too. Wait, where’s everyone going?’”

The quoted post from Social Media Lab (@socialmedialab.ca) – about how after charging third-party developers $42K/month to use the Xitter API, Xitter is now demanding a cut of their revenue starting this summer – displays normally.Screenshot of the same post, crossposted from Bluesky to Mastodon under Joé McKen (@joemcken.net@bsky.brid.gy), with the same post text and with an added link to the Bluesky post quoted in the original. Beneath the post content is a quote window with the message, “This post is pending approval from the original author.”
2025-06-05

@HistoPol still a little short on examples but here is one of someone quote posting their own older post and another where the quoted person has probably not enabled the BlueSky bridge.

It might also be that only these self-quotes work for now because I've not really been able to find different examples and some that show up fine from Threads on Sharkey only show the "pending approval" on mastodon.social.

edit: it's the latter see mastodon.social/@renchap@oisau from @renchap
@paul

Image of what a successfully embedded quote post looks like on mastodon.social right nowImage of what a quote post of a person that has not enabled the BlueSky bridge looks like on mastodon.social currently.
2025-06-05

@paul @HistoPol Just as a followup today I am seeing on mastodon.social (mainly bridged Bluesky posts) so it seems like the display part is now live here.

2025-06-05
Das Traurige ist doch: Die allerallermeisten Mastodon-Nutzer "wissen" aktuell, daß es im Fediverse keine Quote-Posts gibt, weil Mastodon keine hat, zumal geschätzt immer noch jeder zweite "weiß", daß "Fediverse" und "Mastodon" dasselbe meinen und das Fediverse nur aus Mastodon besteht.

Die wenigsten werden diese Ankündigung gelesen haben. Von denen, die sie gelesen haben, werden viele "quote posts from other servers and software" nicht verstehen. Was für andere Server? Mastodon kann doch nicht quote-posten. Und was für andere Software? Was heißt andere Software? Eine andere Handy-App für Mastodon? Oder meinen die Bluesky? Kann Bluesky quote-posten? Wenn ja, dann gehört Bridgy Fed sofort gefediblockt!1!!

Das heißt übrigens auch, daß diese Pseudo-Berechtigung, wer die eigenen Tröts quote-posten darf, 99% der Mastodon-Nutzer in Sicherheit wiegen dürfte. Die sind absolut überzeugt, daß sie damit 100% wasserdicht sicher verhindern können, daß irgendjemand im Fediverse sie quote-postet. Das wird noch zu vollgemachten Hosen und panikbedingten Überreaktionen bis hin zu versuchten (oder gar tatsächlichen) Fediblocks gegen ganze Nicht-Mastodon-Instanzen führen.

Überhaupt: Mastodon kann Quote-Posts schon jetzt anzeigen. Das konnte es schon 2016. Nur hat es die bisher noch nicht anständig formatiert. Ich hoffe, es kommt bald nicht nur mit Quote-Posts wie von Misskey klar, sondern auch mit solchen wie von Friendica.

#Long #LongPost #CWLong #CWLongPost #LangerPost #CWLangerPost #FediMeta #FediverseMeta #CWFediMeta #CWFediverseMeta #Fediverse #Mastodon #QuotePost #QuotePosts #QuoteTweet #QuoteTweets #QuoteToot #QuoteToots #QuoteTröt #QuoteTröts #QuoteBoost #QuoteBoosts #QuotePostDebatte #QuoteTrötDebatte
Tokyo Outsider (337ppm)tokyo_0@mas.to
2025-06-05

@aussocialadmin @MastodonEngineering Appreciate you sharing this information, but I shouldn't have to *disable* it. #quotePosts were supposed to be #optIn, not opt-out.

#consent #privacy #mastodon #fediverse

2025-06-04

Surely this is a joke:

the upcoming 4.4 version of Mastodon will begin displaying quote posts from other servers and software. Once this is widely deployed on the network, 4.5 will bring the long awaited ability to quote posts.

Basically, we will wait for everyone else do the donkey work and learning, then we will follow! This from the largest, and most funded software on the fediverse

#quoteposts

https://mastodon.social/@Gargron/114625891198289108

HistoPol (#HP) 🏴 🇺🇸 🏴HistoPol
2025-06-04
FinchHaven sfbaFinchHaven@sfba.social
2025-06-04

@jerome

Yeah there have been specific apps that have implemented #QuotePosts for some time now -- and used that as a "marketing" feature

But of course there's a difference between the user-space "app" level and the overall-global instance distribution level

This will become Yet Another(tm) #Mastodon Advanced Feature(tm) that newcomers and the experienced alike will have to find in some Preferences --> Whatever location and turn on or off as they see fit

Who says Mastodon is hard to use? /snark

And what are "Carousel Slides" and when do we get to see them?

Are these for Pinned Posts, or nah?

cc @andypiper @individual8 @MastodonEngineering

2025-06-04
@Chris Alemany🇺🇦🇨🇦🇪🇸 The Mastodon devs are talking as if either the Fediverse is only Mastodon, or the Fediverse as a whole doesn't have quote-posts.

Neither of this is true. The Fediverse has had quote-posts since July 2nd, 2010 when Mistpark (now known as Friendica) was launched. Mastodon toots have been quote-post-able since Mastodon itself was launched, for when Mastodon was launched, it immediately federated with at least two Fediverse server applications that have quote-posts, namely Friendica and Hubzilla, a fork of a fork of Friendica by Friendica's own creator.

Nowadays, at least Pleroma, Akkoma, all other Pleroma forks, Misskey, Calckey, Firefish, Iceshrimp-JS, Iceshrimp.NET, CherryPick, Sharkey, all other Misskey forks, Mitra, Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte can quote-post Mastodon toots with no problem.

And Mastodon won't be able to stop them. No, seriously, it won't. Not with a non-standard, proprietary, home-brew opt-in or opt-out switch that doesn't tie into anything that the other Fediverse server apps have. And whatever switch Mastodon is working on will not tie into anything that already exists.

Let me put it this way: Hubzilla has the second-most advanced and fine-grained permissions system in the Fediverse. It goes well beyond most people's imagination. It works on three levels: for the whole channel (that's similar to a Mastodon account), for individual contacts (that's "followers" in Mastodon lingo, but Hubzilla doesn't distinguish between followers and followed), for individual content. (streams) and Forte are the only ones with an even more advanced and fine-grained permissions system.

But even they don't have a quote-post permission setting. And they have permission settings for just about everything. You want reply control in the Fediverse? Hubzilla has reply control, and (streams) and Forte have reply control on steroids. But what they don't have is a quote-posting permission because that's next to impossible to control across the Fediverse even with the most advanced permissions system.

As @Mike Macgirvin ?️ (professional software developer for almost half a century, designer of two Fediverse protocols, creator of Friendica and Hubzilla, inventor of nomadic identity, creator and maintainer of (streams) and Forte) says: The only way to make your posts un-quote-post-able is by not posting in public and not allowing everyone in the Fediverse full access to your posts. Set your "Who can quote" however you want, I'll always be able to quote-post all your public posts with no problem and with no resistance.

So what chance does Mastodon have then? Mastodon which doesn't even know what permissions are? Developed by Eugen Rochko who actually has a history of head-butting with Mike Macgirvin, and who would never take any step towards anything that Mike has ever developed?

I'm commenting from Hubzilla right now, and I'm also on (streams). And I can tell you: If you make any of your posts "un-quote-post-able", this still won't make my Share buttons on Hubzilla and (streams) disappear.

CC: @Stefan Bohacek @FinchHaven sfba

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2025-06-04
@FinchHaven sfba
I've seen no mention (perhaps I missed it) of who exactly gets to --> create <-- these "remote quote posts"

"remote" implies no one on my local instance

A common misconception on Mastodon is that the Fediverse doesn't have quote-posts. Anywhere.

As a matter of fact, however:
  • Pleroma users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Akkoma users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Misskey users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Calckey users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Firefish users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Iceshrimp-JS users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Iceshrimp.NET users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • CherryPick users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Sharkey users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Users on any other Forkey can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Mitra users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Friendica users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Hubzilla users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • (streams) users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Forte users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
  • Many other non-Mastodon Fediverse users can quote-post Mastodon toots.
None of them have included quote-posts with the explicit intent to harass Mastodon users.

To give you an example: Friendica was launched 15 years ago, more than five years before Mastodon. It already had quote-posts back then. When Mastodon was launched, it was Mastodon that connected itself to Friendica and not the other way around. And ever since that very moment, Friendica was able to quote-post Mastodon toots.

If Mastodon adds its own, proprietary, home-brew, non-standard quote-post opt-in or opt-out, [b]all of the above will still be able to quote-post any public Mastodon toots with zero resistance[b]. In fact, they won't even know whether a Mastodon user has opted out of or not opted into being quote-post-able.

To make matters worse, the Fediverse has at least two different quote-post technologies.

Misskey and the various Forkeys put RE: <URL of the quote-posted message> into a message, and it's automatically rendered as a quote-post. It references the original, and when the original is edited, so is the quote-post. I don't know whether or not the quote-posted user is notified.

Friendica, Hubzilla, (streams) and Forte generate a dumb copy of the original message from an eight-digit reference number. It comes with a "headline" containing the name of the original poster, profile picture included, and a link to the original message. Since it's a dumb copy, the quote-post will not change when the original is edited. The quote-posted user is notified similarly to being mentioned when being quote-posted.

Immediate, effective counter-measures are completely impossible against both.

CC: @Stefan Bohacek

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FinchHaven sfbaFinchHaven@sfba.social
2025-06-04

@chris

Yeah, agree, particularly after having witnessed all the grief (and griefing / brigading) caused by #QuotePosts back on Twitter

cc @stefan

FinchHaven sfbaFinchHaven@sfba.social
2025-06-04

@stefan

"- "experimental support for verifying and displaying remote quote posts""

I've watched as this very specific Issue worked its way through the #Mastodon #Github

"remote quote posts"

I've seen no mention (perhaps I missed it) of who exactly gets to --> create <-- these "remote quote posts"

"remote" implies no one on my local instance

#QuotePost #QuotePosts

FinchHaven sfbaFinchHaven@sfba.social
2025-05-28

@gregly

This was discussed extensively in the #Mastodon #Github some (now) years ago

By allowing a third party to add a #CW to an existing, published post after the fact, it allows the new editor to completely invert the meaning of the original post by adding a label that is the inverse of the original content

Whether some individual "apps" allow it is irrelevant

And yeah, also see #QuotePosts

Ivette Mirbunnylove403
2025-05-17

A persons worth shouldn’t be defined by the taxes they do or do not make.

Original skeet by: brianamillslmft.bsky.social
give her a follow✔️ if you have a BlueSky🦋account 📲

Skeet written by @brianamillslmft.bsky.social that reads: “Disabled people are worthy of the same rights as anyone else. Yes, even those who can't work or pay taxes. All disabled people matter!”

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