#Mv2

2025-12-17

@BlackIkeEagle fwiw, ex-vivaldi user here [via your repo, heehee]. i had multiple reasons eventually, after many years, to prefer fox over vee, in addition to the one you named. not only but including;

  • no html5 canvas fingerprinting protection in v even using the dedicated extensions for it, which otoh work fine in ff;
  • no #mv2 anymore [or else very soon?], so no more #uBO (& neither #uBOL, nor their native static list-based blocker, compares or suffices);
  • after all these years afaik still a lukewarm single-windowlet PiP capability;
  • no capability for sophisticated infinitely nested tab hierarchy ;
  • user profiles are [or at least, were] not truly independent like they are in ff
  • native #RSS #feedreader tended to #necrofetch like a proper bastard, negating any advantage over just using an extension / addon;
  • unlike many v critics who mouth-off at it not being fully #FOSS, that never was more than a low-level irritant for me, as i emphatically trust Jon ever since OperaPresto, but otoh, using v axiomatically meant i was implicitly contributing to the single-engining of the web, which i oppose on principle

anyway, all these debates across the interwebz are ok, but as long as users can find something that makes them happy, then it's lovely.

2025-12-16

@vkc Yes, I care about my browser engine 👍

  • It's why, years ago, i wandered away from Vivaldi to #FirefoxNightly :firefoxnightly: , even when vivaldi still supported #Mv2
  • now that chromium is #Mv3, ergo no #uBlockOrigin, ergo no dynamic filter rules, i simply cannot envisage any chromium browser returning to live in my penguins
  • via my carefully curated #userJS i keep all ai disabled in my :firefoxnightly:
  • this overnight Mozilla announcement is hugely distressing; they just increasingly Do Not Get It 🙄🤦‍♀️
  • if it gets to the stage where Mozilla removes users' ability to disable ai, i suppose i shall have to return to an airgapped abacus 🤪

#FuckGenerativeAI

Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:​MsDropbear42@infosec.space
2025-05-24

@jon @Vivaldi Pity about no #uBO any more, Jon, due to the google-enforced #Mv3 replacement of #Mv2 in all chromium browsers. Pity about the ongoing lack of proper tree hierarchy tab management, despite all the years of requests and discussions in the forum. I used to love Vivaldi, but reached a point where it was plain that its priorities had severely diverged from my browser needs. You & your team have wrought wonders since 2015 [& all the years before too ofc in Opera Presto], & it's wonderful to have followed the growth of your project, with commensurate popularity. Otoh, once the divergence became too large for me to bear any more, i knew i needed to go elsewhere. Best wishes. #vivaldi

Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:​MsDropbear42@infosec.space
2025-04-06

Like a mindless moth to a flame, this morn i was tempted to give #ZenBrowser yet another chance, despite its disappointing history of letting me down, eg:

Sadly, yet again after only ~two hours, i had to abandon it again, when i discovered that the bug with the search-bar dropdown menu remains broken, such that choosing impromptu searches in my alternative search engines remains impossible.

So, back i go, yet again, to the lovely... and reliable... :firefox_nightly:

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:​MsDropbear42@infosec.space
2025-03-11

@fnwbr And yet, here i be, revelling in the delightful UX that is my :firefox_nightly: , with all the #telemetry disabled, the #AI disabled, numerous other parameters hardened via my #userJS, with the exquisite #Sidebery & its infinitely-nestable tree-tabs & multiple #Workspaces on its LHS, & the brilliant project #FirefoxSecondSidebar with my 21 #WebPanels on its RHS. It's such a great daily browsing UX, unfazed by the last ten days of global #FUD [all the so-called nasties can be disabled, either via simple clicks in the Settings UI, or otherwise via about:config / user.js]. Herd-mentality is a ridiculous trait of humans. 🙄🤦‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:​MsDropbear42@infosec.space
2025-03-10

@MsDropbear42 Oh ffs, this latest experiment with :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser has ended after only a few hours, due to yet another catastrophic failure, preceded by various annoyances:

  • the dedicated Search Bar refused to show the drop-down menu of alternative search engines [works fine in :firefox: and :firefox_nightly: ]
  • the #Stylus AO refused to respond to clicks on its various usage & management icons in its drop-down menu [works fine in :firefox: and :firefox_nightly: ]
  • a link i opened from my Masto #Statuzer page decided to behave like i'd used #Glance [i did not], then when i converted it into a normal tab, entirely froze the Statuzer tab
  • wondering if possibly restarting Zen might fix the above, i tried to do so, which then destroyed my carefully crafted Zen profile... what ensued was a UI without various standard changes i'd made [eg, the Search Bar was gone again, the native tabs bar refused to Collapse again], but worst of all, all my open tabs were gone... again 😲 🤯🙄🤦‍♀️😡

My dear old :firefox_nightly: might be less pretty, less visually exciting, & might not have native split tabs, but far out it is & remains way way waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay more reliable than Zen. I mean, it's really a bit silly... :firefox_nightly: is Alpha, :zenbrowser: is Beta, yet the former is generally rock solid reliable in the ~decade i've been using it. Otoh, all my experiments with Zen, over the past ~12-18 months, have ended in disappointment, frustration, & often also destruction.

So, yet again, i return to...

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management + Web Panel UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:​MsDropbear42@infosec.space
2025-03-08

@eknobl Also, the native #TabGroups have been working well for several weeks in :firefox_nightly:, & in my recent testing they also now seem to have become reliable in :firefox: . The whole native #VerticalTabs UI ootb has ridiculous amounts of padding per tab, such that a stupidly small number of tabs can be open before invoking the scrollbar... i fixed this via some #CSS. The one remaining major design paradigm i dislike is that the tab groups are primitive like in Vivaldi & Chromium, ie, only single-level; no hierarchical trees are possible. Hence, even though the new VTs & TGs are aesthetically pleasing & quite usable, i still keep returning to Sidebery.

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:​MsDropbear42@infosec.space
2025-03-06

@thelinuxEXP Hi Nick. Oh well, fwiw, i continue to trust my :firefox_nightly:, but i reinforce that sense of equanimity with my long-standing disabling of all the telemetry, both via the UI Preferences check-boxes, & my discrete additions to my user.js. I do not defend Mozilla's unbelievably hamfisted binfire they created last week & subsequently, but i do til further notice accept their explanation [&, as i said, i have forced all telemetry off anyway].

:floorp: 11 [which i think you installed] is nearing end-of-life [but i happily ran it for over a year til a few months ago], & #Floorp 12 via recently released Beta is improving each few days but so far remains very broken & feature-incomplete.

:zenbrowser: was a very interesting option i ran for several months, but have largely lost interest in it nowadays as its development has headed off in areas of little interest to me, whilst neglecting features of importance to me.

#Tor #LibreWolf #Waterfox all fail to meet my daily usability preferences.

So til further notice, i remain happily in this mode, fwiw:

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

Best wishes with your alternative choices, hope it all goes well for you.

Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:​MsDropbear42@infosec.space
2025-02-28

@kinetix @mitten It's not for me to recommend, coz i have no way of knowing other peep's use-cases, threat models, & UX priorities. However i'll illustrate with some dot points for me... but none of this might pertain to you/others. Everyone needs to make their own decision.

  • privacy & security are high priority for me
  • a sophisticated browser UX is high priority for me, including high levels of customisability
  • the preceding two points are clearly in collision, & when that arises, i tip towards UX over P&S, so long as P&S still remain above my acceptable minimum thresholds
  • thus, all chromium browsers are off the table for me, coz... google, & Mv3, thus no more uBO... i refuse to accept that
  • so it still needs to be a Gecko browser for me, meaning... original FF, or fork?
  • i've tested & rejected both #Tor & #Librewolf, coz both have sacrificed too much UX for P&S
  • i've extensively tested & used for several months, both #Floorp & #ZenBrowser. I was initially very thrilled by both, but the latter is now heading off in UX directions completely anathema to me, whilst the former [being atm still v11, ie, #ESR-forked] is several months overdue on release of its heralded v12 that will be rebased to FF-release version. I keenly await this.
  • so for the time being, i remain happily using ...

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

  • the same positive UX + P&S combo also pertains [for me; i am NOT generalising to other peeps] for vanilla #Firefox, it's just that i like being more on the cutting edge for faster arrival of new goodies & bug fixes.

Fwiw.

Gea-Suan Lingslin@abpe.org
2024-12-30

把一些 extension 搬到 MV3 上

在前幾天的「Google Chrome 的 Manifest V2 被關掉了」這篇有提到 Google Chrome 開始關掉 Manifest V2 (MV2) 了,想說我應該有些舊的 extension 還在 MV2 上面,就從 GitHub 上拉下來改一改搬到 Manifest V3 (MV3) 上面。

我的幾個 extension 都比較簡單,沒有用到

blog.gslin.org/archives/2024/1

#Browser #Computer #GoogleChrome #Murmuring #Network #Service #Software #WWW #extension #google #manifest #mv2 #mv3 #store #v2 #v3 #web #webstore

Droppie [infosec] 🐨:archlinux: :kde: :firefox_nightly: :thunderbird: :vegan:​MsDropbear42@infosec.space
2024-12-12

@kkarhan @karlauerbach @adamshostack Fwiw...

So many peeps are writing so much stuff about the badness of #Firefox [due to the mismanagement by #Mozilla], & the "imminent" end of the Fox road if/when gargle stops funding Mozilla. I have a certain sympathy with such views. However it's the next part that gobsmacks me... all the despairing Foxers already abandoning FF, & jumping to some chromium poison. Far out, talk about an exercise in foot gun bang 🙄🤦‍♀️

Certainly, i dunno what the Fox Future will be, but jumping now at shadows seems perverse. By all means, let's jump some indeterminate time in the future if FF becomes actually dead, but for now, all i know is that my :firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf...

Droppie [loma] 🐨♀🌈🐧​🦘msdropbear42@loma.ml
2024-10-02

@nixCraft There's so much #FUD misinformation in this post & all its copies across the interwebz. Yes it seems that here Mozilla made a ridiculous stuffup, subsequently acknowledged, albeit too late. However so many peeps seem to be naively or indeed maliciously ignoring the primary issue...

  • #Firefox & forks retaining full #Mv2 capability means that Mv2 #uBO continues to run in FF, with all the configurability granularity & security / privacy that entails
  • otoh Be Evil google have now rendered chrome & chromium only Mv3-functional, ergo breaking uBO in them & leaving them with only #uBOL, or worse.
2024-06-17

@trentskunk Welp, not surprised.

Vivaldi experiencing, as they put it, "a performance drag" from considering a proper implementation is the probable result of trying to pluck so much stuff in the browser, so they choose a status quo of OBEDIENTLY following Google's version of the Manifest V3 spec. How come they don't take a page from Firefox that keeps both Manifest V2 and V3 that doesn't impede extensions' capabilities as much as Chromium?

#Vivaldi #VivaldiBrowser #ManifestV3 #ManifestV2 #MV3 #MV2 #Mozilla #Firefox #Google #Chromium #GoogleChrome #WebExtensions

datordžeks 🇱🇻datordzeks@toot.lv
2024-03-06

Šobrīd lasu visādu info par akumulatoriem. Jāsagādā jauns. No vienas puses - jebkurā būvmateriālu veicī ieskrien un paņem. Bet bail, ka tur visādi sū salikti. Bet savā provincē kaut kur nākamo 2 darbdienu laikā kaut kur dabūt laikam nereāli. Kaut ko jēdzīgu. Jo totāli nepārzinu drēbi. Visādi AGM un kas tur vēl, želejas? Šajā teorijā autospeci.lv/akumulatori-akumu iedziļināšos vēlāk. Tagad meklēju konkrētu atbildi, kāds tips man vislabāk der, un kāda ir min palaišanas kastur.
#Mv2

datordžeks 🇱🇻datordzeks@toot.lv
2024-02-29

@gacha mhm. nevaru vien sagaidīt, kad varēšu praksē vandīties pa golfa vadu mudžekli, vispār saprast, kurā galā ir kas. rasējumi kaut kādi jau sakačāti. muguras smadzeņu sajūta - tur viss ir sapuvis un jāpārvelk.
#Mv2

datordžeks 🇱🇻datordzeks@toot.lv
2024-02-23

Kas man vēl patika - izraku arī kaut kādu random ddr3 plāksnīti ar papildus 4GB rāmja. Šobrīd gan tas viss tāds pagaidu variants, lai pārprogrammētu #Mv2 komforta bloku. Jo tas lapsis ir ļoti pieputējis un ar aizlauztu eņģi. Bet toties Asus. "sovakar vnk negribējās čakarēties ar klavieres atvienošanu un iedziļināšos, kamēr.. tad redz ko es visu laiku aizmirstu nopirkt - termopastu.

datordžeks 🇱🇻datordzeks@toot.lv
2024-02-21

Pa nakti atkal akumulators bija nosēdies. Un izskatās, ka padošos un meklēšu servisu, lai sataisa atslēgu. vai nu mehānisko slēdzeni, vai nu pulti. vai nu pofuj, vnk gaidīšu vasaru, kad būs siltāks, lai var ņemties. vai vispār hz ko. nav jau arī īpaši daudz laika "lēnā garā ņemties", jo jābrauc ir jau vakar. katrā ziņā gribas iedzert vai uzpīpēt.
#Mv2

datordžeks 🇱🇻datordzeks@toot.lv
2024-02-20

Spriežot pēc info no visādām uzlīmēm - #Mv2 vakar apritēja 25 gadi.

datordžeks 🇱🇻datordzeks@toot.lv
2024-02-20

Kas tas par tādu dīvainu maindsetu, ka vienkāršāk šķiet sasūtīt internetos vadus, sakačāt programmas un piespraust kompi pie golfa, nevis aizbraukt uz kaut kādu servisu, kur visu salabo? #Mv2

datordžeks 🇱🇻datordzeks@toot.lv
2024-02-14

Aķī 12,4V spriegums. Not bad. Varbūt, ka tas aķis nemaz nav sajājies. Nomainīju komforta bloku, pieliku mīnusa klemmi vietā un - logi nenolaidās. Bet ar to labās ziņas arī beidzas. Kā jau nojautu - centrālās atslēgas pults nestrādā. Bet vismaz var iedarbināt un darbojas centrālā atslēga no vadītāja durvīm. Tagad jāver vaļā pīlepīleej un jāmeklē, kā un cik reāli sasinhronizēt centrālās atslēgas pulti.
To, ka uz brīdi biju pazaudējis aizdedzes atslēgu, bet atradu to aizdedzē, es paklusēšu ;D
#Mv2

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