@lecroix74 @cR0w @AAKL @9to5Mac Agree. Reading discussions for instance in the firefox subreddit reveals some really ugly attitudes & IMO unrealistic perspectives. Trivial example; the considerable mouth-frothing & rabid indignation of some for Mozilla having had the temerity to finally, so-very-late-to-the-party, provide #VerticalTabs & #TabGroups. Some people are so massively insular & narrow-minded.

I have discovered how to use #tabgroups in #firefox and now I'm never going back! #browser #optimisation #optimization #lifehack

Still happily using #Floorp12 Beta as my daily browser, but made an important change last night. As a longterm #TST, then later #Sidebery, user & lover, the last several months of me deliberately forcing myself to use my #FirefoxNightly then more recently Floorp12 Beta profiles predicated on the native FF #VerticalTabs & #TabGroups has been interesting, yet filled with frequent regret, so invested have i been for years in the power of managing all my tabs in a sophisticated tree hierarchy.

FF native tab groups atm remain merely single-level, like Chromium & Vivaldi, thus far less powerful than either TST or Sidebery. I know from bitter experience last year with Floorp10 & Floorp11 that Sidebery is incompatible [due to the Floorp #Workspaces; not only do Sidebery's tabs not recognise/respect Floorp's Workspaces, because both softwares seek to control tab location, they severely clash, causing major browser instability & often tab loss]. Hence i've made no attempt to court further/similar disasters by trying Sidebery in Floorp12. So, last night i created a new profile in Floorp12 for use with TST, & that's what i'm now using. Though in Nightly i regard Sidebery superior to TST, in Floorp the reverse is true; the Floorp Dev/s seem to have taken particular steps to ensure TST compatibility, which thus integrate really well with Floorp's native Workspaces.

The one decided drawback atm of using this new profile however is that with TST active & native tabs hidden, there is no instant access to the important tab context-menu items for splitting-tabs, & moving them to other Workspaces. Fortunately, both those operations i need to use only rarely, so my clunky workaround, which would be untenable if i needed to do it dozens of times each day, is bearable albeit still irritating. When the occasional need arises to do either of those operations, i temporarily unhide the native tabs at the UI top, perform the requisite right-click ops on the applicable tabs, then re-hide said native tabsbar.

I suspect i need therapy [i mean, even more than i already knew]. Overnight i had a dream. It was vivid, it was detailed, & oddly i awoke still remembering it. It was not about unicorns, it was not about some rollicking space sci-fi adventure, it was not about having unlimited supplies of turkish-delight & violet-crumble. It was not even some lurid sexual fantasy. Nope. It was... that today's update of #FirefoxNightly introduced infinitely-nested #TabGroups, rather than uni-dimensional as now.

The saddest part... this toot is actually for-real. It's not just made-up nonsense. I really had that dream. 🙄🤦‍♀️

I wonder if there's any hope for me, or if i'm now unfixable? 🤷‍♀️

Ich hoffe, ich lehne mich nicht zu weit aus dem Fenster.

Tab Groups werden einen ähnlich großen Einfluss auf meine Arbeit mit dem Browser haben, wie damals die Einführung von Tabs an sich.

#Firefox #TabGroups

@MsDropbear42 @floorp Well well well, how nice! 💃💃

Floorp Daylight aka Floorp 12 Beta, Version 138.0.2@0.1.21 as available 11 hours ago at https://github.com/Floorp-Projects/Floorp-12/releases/tag/beta, has made a major jump forward in features & reliability.

• Now its #Workspaces seem to work, and survive restarts [older Betas failed on one or both of those]
• it now has native #MouseGestures and they work [so i can remove #Gesturefy]
• its native #WebPanels #Sidebar is less powerful than the #FirefoxSecondSidebar project, but is still excellent & highly usable
• its internal special Floorp settings page, now called Floorp Hub, has regained several [albeit certainly not all] of the fab #Floorp11 UI options

Atm the native #Firefox #TabGroups do not respect Workspaces, ie, persist across all of them, unlike ordinary tabs which now do stay in their respective WS. Thus my next focus of interest will be to see if coming Betas manage to fully integrate these Groups into the Workspaces.

TLDR: This latest Beta is such that i can now seriously consider the possibility of using it as more than just a curiosity, & as an actual daily browser.

#floorp #floorp12

🦊✨Firefox just launched Tab Groups; organize, collapse, and color-code your tabs with ease. Check it out in version 137.0! Thanks @mozilla 🙏

https://blog.mozilla.org/en/firefox/tab-groups-community/

#Firefox #TabGroups #WebTips #OpenSource #Browser #TipOfTheDay

I was very excited about the new Tab Groups feature in #Firefox 138, but it wasn't there (#Ubuntu #Linux 24.04 ppa). 😭

But it was enabled when I created a new profile. Changing browser.tabs.groups.enabled to true in about:config also enabled this for my existing profile. So the issue here is that #TabGroups are NOT enabled for existing profiles.

A related problem is the new Profile Management feature. This one is disabled in both new and existing profiles. Changing browser.profiles.enabled to true in about:config enables it. Personally I'm not going to use this, because I use the containers as a way to separate different website identities.

I don't know if this is on purpose for Linux builds or a package issue in the #Mozilla ppa repo.

The #firefox recent features for browser tab groups and vertical tabs are ... pretty nicely done!

#tabgroups #verticaltabs

🦊 Lost your Firefox tab groups after the latest update? You’re not alone—and there is a fix! 🛠️ Don’t let your workflow collapse. Get your tabs back in order now #Firefox #BrowserFix #TabGroups #TechHelp

https://pupuweb.com/why-cant-i-see-firefox-tab-groups-after-the-latest-update-heres-the-fix-you-need/

#TIL that the subtle improvements behind the scenes to the #TabGroups behaviour in :firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly 's #VerticalTabs have continued. A few weeks ago, or maybe several weeks, grouping more than ~20 tabs then Save and close group would toss away all tabs >~20 upon later restoring, and bugger up the sequence into the bargain. As of now however, whilst the irritating random reordering persists, no tabs were lost. I tested this via a TG of 36 tabs, & another of 45 tabs. I am pleased with this development, & if it proves so henceforth, i'll be able to uninstall the AddOn Tab Stash [which btw is a very fine AO!].

@firefoxnightly

Tech Brief: Firefox, iOS 19, US-TikTok ban & X under fire 🔥 #Firefox #TabGroups #iOS19 #AppleIntelligence #TikTokBan #Trump #DigitalServicesAct #X #ElonMusk #TechNews #Tech #Privacy #AI #visionOS #EURegulation #USPolitics #ITSupport

Tech Brief: Firefox, iOS 19, US-TikTok ban & X under fire 🔥 #Firefox #TabGroups #iOS19 #AppleIntelligence #TikTokBan #Trump #DigitalServicesAct #X #ElonMusk #TechNews #Tech #Privacy #AI #visionOS #EURegulation #USPolitics #ITSupport

ah hier ab firefox 137, 01.04.25

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/137.0/releasenotes/

https://support.mozilla.org/de/kb/tab-groups [noch unübersetzt]

#Firefox #TabGroups

@ComputerBase For anyone who's never heard of / used #TreeStyleTab or #Sidebery, :firefox: :firefox_nightly: newish #TabGroups [atm they work better in Nightly than Release] probably seem fine. For we TST & especially Sidebery users though, they are absolutely not good enough, but hopefully will get more & more features & functions soon.

Hombre! Por fin #Firefox añade los "Tabs groups".

Tenía una extensión que hacía algo parecido pero no era tan cómodo como #Chrome. Ahora podré desinstalarla.

#tabgroups #mozilla

#mozilla #firefox finally has (experimental) tab grouping support!

Works quite nice in Firefox 136, you need to activate it through about:config, search for "browser.tabs.groups.enabled" and set it to true.

Then just drag tabs on one another, and they group :)

#tabgroups #tabmanagement

@eknobl Also, the native #TabGroups have been working well for several weeks in :firefox_nightly:, & in my recent testing they also now seem to have become reliable in :firefox: . The whole native #VerticalTabs UI ootb has ridiculous amounts of padding per tab, such that a stupidly small number of tabs can be open before invoking the scrollbar... i fixed this via some #CSS. The one remaining major design paradigm i dislike is that the tab groups are primitive like in Vivaldi & Chromium, ie, only single-level; no hierarchical trees are possible. Hence, even though the new VTs & TGs are aesthetically pleasing & quite usable, i still keep returning to Sidebery.

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

#Firefox 136 is out, and the native #tabgroups are back!!! (the cheering you're hearing is from the #panorama gang 🎺) Also the vertical tab bar seems to have fixed the most annoying thing in the preview, which was that there was no easy way to close tabs. Now there's a hover-over close button.

@nekohayo Sigh.

Firefox's reputation is in ashes

Only in the minds of peeps more influenced by #FUD than facts. 🙄🤦‍♀️

tab workspaces (a.k.a. tab groups

Workspaces are not the same as tab groups. #FirefoxNightly has had viable native #TabGroups now for several weeks [for both H & V tab arrangements], but still has no #Workspaces. If you want actual proper literal Workspaces, you need to use any of Vivaldi, #Floorp, or #ZenBrowser. However, be aware:

• Zen is only based on FF 136, so unlike Nightly, atm does NOT have properly working Tab Groups.
• Floorp 11 is based on FF ESR, so uses its own in-house #VerticalTabs, & has no tab groups [but good Workspaces]
• Floorp 12 is atm in Beta, is based on FF 136, so does have FF's native vertical tabs, but like Zen, atm its Tab Groups are very broken [like they also once were in Nightly, but now are good, so eventually they will also come good here]. It does have Workspaces already, but atm they & many other features in this early Beta are not working properly.