Sadly noone is selling #Pi0W or #Pi0W2 with the external antenna mod preinstalled.
#Pi0W2
@betelgeuse93 @itsfoss OFC the main benefit of a #Pi5 with 1GB isn't for #consumers but #industrial customers.
- #Broadcom uses @RaspberryPi / #RaspberryPi as a "#GatewayDrug" to ease #embedded systems designers/integrators into #ARM / #ARM64 systems and get those big enough to want something custom to contact Broadcom.
Also in many systems like #automation, 1GB is more than sufficient (Given that @OS1337 can run on 32 MB RAM in a VM) it's safe to assume the $5 in shave without MOQ is worth it for most buyers who want the extra compute power and I/O compared to a #Pi0W / #Pi0W2 or #Pi3B+ ...
@0x47df I still think the OG #RaspberryPi is good.
@r @fluffykittycat @flower Obviously people have used the #RP2040 for many projects and given it's ease of programming, low price, excellent documentation and easy availability it's no wounder it does put pressue on #ATmega / #ATtiny, #Arduino, #Teensy, etc.
- At least for low volume productions and prototypes as proof of concept.
#RaspberryPi shure are more and more targeting #embedded & #industrial clients given they do in fact disrupt the market as one can get proper #documentation and #tools without paying $$$$ upfront (AND sign NDAs) just to be able to boot #Linux on it.
- And competitors fail at understanding that this makes #Broadcom look good and is their entry-way into acquiring new clients. Because selling hardware purely off specs may work in #amd64 land where shit's legacy and the way things work is so entrenched that basic stuff just works as in booting. #ARM and even #ARM64 fail at having that level of #standardization.
OFC the #Pi0 / #Pi0W / #Pi0W2 doesn't need to innovate since every competitor isn't even trying to compete but merely farting out boards with 0 documentation and some halfassed boot images and no post-sales support so they keep dominating by virtue of being the only ones that just work...
@r @fluffykittycat @flower the only reason noone takes an #RP2040 and tries to build a new #Retro-Style #Microcomputer with it is because it's way more effort and hassle than the $5 (/ $1 / $10) discount compared to a #Pi0W (/ #Pi0 / #Pi0W2) - which already come with USB, HDMI & microSD - is worth it.
@socketwench If you want to go #minimalist, you could try a #Pi0W2 with a keyboard & screen.
- But yeah unless you want a craptastic #amd64 mini PC with seperate power bricks, then the #Pi500 should be a good option.
I just wished there was like a proper #Setup for @ubuntu / #UbuntuLTS #Desktop for it that also allows setting up #LVM-based #FullDiskEncryption on #RaspberryPi…
- Cuz so far the ways to retroactively encrypt are more cumbersome than the hacks @geerlingguy does with #ComputeModules…
@jgoerzen yeah, in terms of absolute low power draw there may be something more power efficient than the #Pi0W2 (basically a cut-down #Pi3 A+) and #Pi0 / #Pi0W (a cut-down Pi 2 Model A)…
There should be lower power consuming yet more powerful (or at least more powerful at the same power draw) options already due to snaller structural width.
After all the Xbox 360 went from 203W to 120W during it's lifecycle despite getting the Kinect as additional power-drawing accessory burdened on.
Problem is that so far no "competitior" even came close to #RaspberryPi when it comes to #documentation.
- Like most of the time they just randomly release some #Android / #Linux image and tell buyers to 'feck off' when it comes to reproduceable builds or mainline #LinuxKernel support…
Whereas even some "old" 14nm node'd #ARMv5r11 or #ARMv7 / #ARM64 we'd all expect something that delivers a desktop @ 2W TDP like the Intel Atom x5-Z8350 did over a decade ago!
- I really appreciate your efforts and espechally #documentation as it makes it so much easier...
There's a reason I only considered architectures to build @OS1337 against that are "obtainable" and I'll prioritize those that I have in my possession and that can be cheaply acquired, which as of writing are about 12 build targets across 5 distinct ISAs ( #i486 and up, #amd64, #ARMv5r11, #ARMv7, #ppc64) , with only 1 (#i486SX) being currently in focus and the next one being the #Pi0 / #Pi0W who's code will run (abeit not performant) on the #Pi0W2 as well...
- All 3 #PiZero|s can be had for like €100 in total with shipping and SD-Cards so it's on-par with a useable #amd64 machine like a #ThinClient with proper SSD and RAM...
Also unlike any other #SBC manufacturer @raspberry_pi / #RaspberryPi actually write proper #documentation and not just fart out some random bootable image file and tell users to feck off!
@ClipHead since you have at least one of those craptastic #CRT - #TVs that whole #PiZero - #Terminal setup is trivial to do, proven and #IEEE upped that by turning the analog tuning controls into something useful...
- Even works for the #PiZero2W as well and isn't that different, merely needing minor config tweaks...
OFC the #Pi0W2 also allows USB Boot instead of #microSD so that's a bonus.
@wyatt @ActionRetro @thisdoesnotcomp yeah, they have a shitton of issues.
- But certainly none of their "competitors" don't even halfass the fundamentals like #documentation.
And to be honest, most folks ain't gonna bother to go all @geerlingguy - style into the weeds and build their own kernel and stuff - certainly not for single-digit €/$ price differences!
- And now we all know why my #BananaPiZeroM2 is unused but I love my #Pi0W & #Pi0W2|s...
@cleantext I mean, lets be realistic: #Netbooks that struggled to run #WindowsXP ain't something people were crazed about (besides the excellent #EeePC which came with it's nicely customized #Xandros-based #Linux desktop that put the 7" 480x800px screen to good use!)…
- OFC one would today rather pick a #Pi0 v1.3, #Pi0W or #Pi0W2 which are all faster, more power efficient and cheaper instead of hardware (soon) old enough to legally buy liquor in Germany.
Not to mention being able to basically run everything off 5V makes it trivial to "outsorce" the "power problem" to some cheap USB powerbank with multiple ports.
- So yeah, "#Ghettohacking" a #Laptop that can even do a #GUI is cheap and relatively easy these days...
@patterfloof #WhatsMissing is like a @pine64 / #Pine64 #Pinebook Chassis to shove a #Pi0W2 in:
Personally I wished for like a #LowPower #minimalist #laptop woth like a #Pi0W2 or similar #LowEnd #SBC in it, and just basic expansion and I/O (HDMI splitter, Ethernet with PoE (for charging), USB-C PD for charging, USB 2.0, Webcam, Keyboard with Trackpoint, SSD and a case chug-full with two toolfree-swappable battery units at a price point of the original @pine64 / #Pine64 #Pinebook...
- Like a chubgus that has a #SolarPanel at the top lid as option and can run like 3 days nonstop on full blast...
@blog thx for the #HonestWords.
To me that touchscreen sounds awful.
Most 3rd party products that aim to compete with any established brand at least get the #price lower than the established players if they can't be assed to at least have the same level of #documentation, #quality or #support than i.e. #RaspberryPi.
- At that insultingly high price I can get a #Pi0W2, an #HDMI + #GPIO / #USB touchscreen of the same resolution and still have change for a decent microSD and Power Supply, and that can display anything.
For €100 I can get some 1080p screen if not a decent #touchscreen if I snipe the right corners and ain't afraid of returns and refurbished parts.
- At that price point it's absolutely not acceptable that they didn't put even a DSI connector on and included a HDMI driver board in the box. Espechally when it's not an #eInk screen!
@FandaSin obviously, just like any enclosed biosphere, these things don't last forever.
But given the average lifetime of #LiIon;/ #LiPo / #LiCo - batteries and their degradation, I'd say that such an algae battery (alongside electronics like #capacitors and other means to smoothen out power supply and.buffer for demands) would definitely be an improvement for many use-cases.
Espechally if we're talking about devices in well-lit areas.
I'd consider it more akin to non-rechargeable longlife batteries for something that needs to run unattended for months if not years.
- But so far this is some interesting research and even if this technology could not improve from the tested lab version, I'd say it's sufficient to power a dive computer if not keep a big capacitor charged for something like an #EPIRB.
Not to mention it may be a potential competitior to #SolarPanels in some cases where an optimal panel installation is impossible.
- I'd not even expect it to be able to charge a smartphone, much less to power a #Pi0W2 even when run underclocked with only a single thread.
@felyashono You don't need to make devices #thicc|er or heavier just by making them #repairable.
#Sony's Vaio #P11Z did have a toolfree-removeable battery yet it was less than 15mm thick and weighted ~560g with the standard battery and even <750g with an obscenely thicc aftermarket battery.
#Fairphone's devices are just as #thinn as any other #smartphone, yet they offer toolfree replaceable batteries!
#rectangular / #prismatic cells exist. Just because you rarely see them compared to 14500/18650/21700 cylinders but that doesn't mean they ain't available.
if #Framework didn't decide to go with a *"pan"-style design, they could've made their flat #battery toolfree-swappable just as the Aforementioned VAIO.
There are other ways to make a device thinner and lighter, ranging from Magnesium to fiber reinforced plastic to carbon fiber. Some #ThinkPad|s did all 3.
- Not to mention sticking batteries in makes replacements unnecessary dangerous and can yield users to not replace "#DangerPillow|s" until they crack the housong or most likely the screen.
Also most of the gains in terms of battery runtime are attributeabke to better battery chemistry, higher grade cells by modern standards and lower power consumption by smaller process nodes (65nm @ 1,5V -> 7nm @ 0,85V can basically reduce power by 90% without any tricks!) and more powerful chips that more dynamically switch to low power states transparently. (Which is why you often get 4 different TDP ratings on some chips, with nominal, maximum & minimum configureable maximums and typical @ nominal settings)…
#AntiRepairDesign is a choice by the manufacturer. #IP68, #ATEX & #MILSTD810 can be achieved without glueing shit together!
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