@lecroix74 @cR0w @AAKL @9to5Mac Agree. Reading discussions for instance in the firefox subreddit reveals some really ugly attitudes & IMO unrealistic perspectives. Trivial example; the considerable mouth-frothing & rabid indignation of some for Mozilla having had the temerity to finally, so-very-late-to-the-party, provide #VerticalTabs & #TabGroups. Some people are so massively insular & narrow-minded.

Still happily using #Floorp12 Beta as my daily browser, but made an important change last night. As a longterm #TST, then later #Sidebery, user & lover, the last several months of me deliberately forcing myself to use my #FirefoxNightly then more recently Floorp12 Beta profiles predicated on the native FF #VerticalTabs & #TabGroups has been interesting, yet filled with frequent regret, so invested have i been for years in the power of managing all my tabs in a sophisticated tree hierarchy.

FF native tab groups atm remain merely single-level, like Chromium & Vivaldi, thus far less powerful than either TST or Sidebery. I know from bitter experience last year with Floorp10 & Floorp11 that Sidebery is incompatible [due to the Floorp #Workspaces; not only do Sidebery's tabs not recognise/respect Floorp's Workspaces, because both softwares seek to control tab location, they severely clash, causing major browser instability & often tab loss]. Hence i've made no attempt to court further/similar disasters by trying Sidebery in Floorp12. So, last night i created a new profile in Floorp12 for use with TST, & that's what i'm now using. Though in Nightly i regard Sidebery superior to TST, in Floorp the reverse is true; the Floorp Dev/s seem to have taken particular steps to ensure TST compatibility, which thus integrate really well with Floorp's native Workspaces.

The one decided drawback atm of using this new profile however is that with TST active & native tabs hidden, there is no instant access to the important tab context-menu items for splitting-tabs, & moving them to other Workspaces. Fortunately, both those operations i need to use only rarely, so my clunky workaround, which would be untenable if i needed to do it dozens of times each day, is bearable albeit still irritating. When the occasional need arises to do either of those operations, i temporarily unhide the native tabs at the UI top, perform the requisite right-click ops on the applicable tabs, then re-hide said native tabsbar.

Of #VerticalTabs :

Praise @Vivaldi ! Although it’s not (yet) my default browser, I love it more and more. Vivaldi offers more customization than most, puts privacy first, and doesn’t push anything on you. No forced sign-ups, no bloat, no unwanted AI, just an efficient browser that keeps you in control.

Developed in Europe, with a human-centric approach to the internet. If you value privacy and choice, give it a try.

#VivaldiBrowser #PrivacyMatters #VerticalTabs

The #firefox recent features for browser tab groups and vertical tabs are ... pretty nicely done!

#tabgroups #verticaltabs

#TIL that the subtle improvements behind the scenes to the #TabGroups behaviour in :firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly 's #VerticalTabs have continued. A few weeks ago, or maybe several weeks, grouping more than ~20 tabs then Save and close group would toss away all tabs >~20 upon later restoring, and bugger up the sequence into the bargain. As of now however, whilst the irritating random reordering persists, no tabs were lost. I tested this via a TG of 36 tabs, & another of 45 tabs. I am pleased with this development, & if it proves so henceforth, i'll be able to uninstall the AddOn Tab Stash [which btw is a very fine AO!].

@firefoxnightly

Zvislé taby vo Firefoxe! Jeeee #VerticalTabs #firefox

@itsfoss #ImageMagick screencap: #Firefox with #Sidebery for #VerticalTabs, #IceWM with #ShadesOfGrey on #Arch #GNU+#Linux
#Apps at sight: #Geany #Zathura #Viewnior #DeltaChat #Dino #Jami #LXTerminal #PCManFM #fs
https://imagemagick.org/
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
https://ice-wm.org
https://archlinux.org/
https://www.gnu.org/
https://www.geany.org/
https://pwmt.org/projects/zathura/
https://siyanpanayotov.com/project/viewnior/
https://delta.chat/en/
https://dino.im/
https://jami.net/
https://www.lxde.org/

I have seen the sh*t @mozillaofficial got/gets for it's change in #termsofuse and #privacynotice. But the recent update to the #firefox browser #ui with #verticaltabs is just blessing.

I'm really enjoying this update 136.0 (aarch64)

#firefox looks like from the future with #verticaltabs

@eknobl Also, the native #TabGroups have been working well for several weeks in :firefox_nightly:, & in my recent testing they also now seem to have become reliable in :firefox: . The whole native #VerticalTabs UI ootb has ridiculous amounts of padding per tab, such that a stupidly small number of tabs can be open before invoking the scrollbar... i fixed this via some #CSS. The one remaining major design paradigm i dislike is that the tab groups are primitive like in Vivaldi & Chromium, ie, only single-level; no hierarchical trees are possible. Hence, even though the new VTs & TGs are aesthetically pleasing & quite usable, i still keep returning to Sidebery.

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #Mv2 #uBO + #Sidebery + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = THE best browsing & sophisticated tab management UX i've ever had, easily eclipsing Vivaldi, :floorp: #Floorp, :zenbrowser: #ZenBrowser, Waterfox, LibreWolf... ergo = 💜🥳🎉👯‍♀️

:firefox_nightly: #FirefoxNightly + #NativeVerticalTabs + #uBlockOrigin + #FirefoxSecondSidebar = Very usable already as of Feb 2025, albeit less powerful than Sidebery, ergo = 💜 🎉

@nekohayo Sigh.

Firefox's reputation is in ashes

Only in the minds of peeps more influenced by #FUD than facts. 🙄🤦‍♀️

tab workspaces (a.k.a. tab groups

Workspaces are not the same as tab groups. #FirefoxNightly has had viable native #TabGroups now for several weeks [for both H & V tab arrangements], but still has no #Workspaces. If you want actual proper literal Workspaces, you need to use any of Vivaldi, #Floorp, or #ZenBrowser. However, be aware:

• Zen is only based on FF 136, so unlike Nightly, atm does NOT have properly working Tab Groups.
• Floorp 11 is based on FF ESR, so uses its own in-house #VerticalTabs, & has no tab groups [but good Workspaces]
• Floorp 12 is atm in Beta, is based on FF 136, so does have FF's native vertical tabs, but like Zen, atm its Tab Groups are very broken [like they also once were in Nightly, but now are good, so eventually they will also come good here]. It does have Workspaces already, but atm they & many other features in this early Beta are not working properly.

@corq Since screens are usually wider horizontally than vertically, vertical tabs on the left or right of the window make perfect sense! Thank you.
#Firefox Vertical Tabs #VerticalTabs tx Mozilla

#IMHO, best #Firefox implementation of #VerticalTabs, with #Sidebery.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/sidebery/
https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery
https://github.com/mbnuqw
@mozillaofficial @firefoxnightly @FirefoxDevTools @firefox #addons #freesoftware #libresoftware #mpl #mit #browser #tabs #design #apps

Je comprends pas bien l’intérêt de zen browser quand on a quasi la même chose dans Firefox (et ça bouffe pas la ram comme pas possible)
Il suffit d'aller dans about:config et mettre le paramètre sidebar.verticalTabs à true.

J'imagine que d'ici une sortie "officiel" il y aura quelques améliorations mais le plus gros est là

#firefox, #zenbrowser #verticaltabs

Absolutely #InLove with #Sidebery:
https://addons.mozilla.org/firefox/addon/sidebery/
https://github.com/mbnuqw/sidebery
#Mozilla #Firefox #AddOn that implements #VerticalTabs #TabGroups and an extremely powerful and incredibly simple navigation resources, full of efficiency. For anyone that work with more than 10 #tabs.
#FreeSoftware #LibreSoftware #FLOSS #MIT #Internet #Browser #Favs

I've loved using the superb AO #Sidebery in my :firefox_nightly: for many years. Nevertheless i have been keeping an eye on the FF Devs' progress with native #VerticalTabs in #FirefoxNightly over the past several months. A couple of days ago i decided to create a new profile [using the new Profile paradigm in Nightly], into which i installed all the same AOs [except ofc not Sidebery this time], copied across all my bookmarks, passwords, form data etc, to basically replicate my familiar browsing setup except this time with the native VTs & #TabGroups.

I've used this new profile instead of my usual Sidebery profile for the past day, to do all my normal browsing, so i can get a good feel for the viability or not of this native paradigm. Sidebery's hierarchical infinitely-nestable tree-structure is vastly superior to any & all simple flat tab-groups paradigms like Vivaldi, Floorp, Zen, & Chromium... & now also Nightly, but i'm trying to be tenacious & tolerate it so i can make it a worthy IRL comparison test.

However what's highly irritating is the profligate waste of vertical space of these native VTs compared to Sidebery; see pic. Multiple times i have launched the Nightly #BrowserToolbox UI & tried to discover the specific css code controlling the huge padding & excessive vertical height of these tabs, so i can drastically reduce it in my #userChromeCSS... but each time it seems to evade me [i'm not very good at this].

Can any actual Devs or otherwise keen FF UI modders please point me to the code in question?

@OpenSauce It depends. My :firefox_nightly: abuts my virtual desktop's RHS vertical Plasma panel, & extends toward the LHS but leaves a 390px column of exposed desktop wallpaper. That space is filled with my several #Conky 's, so i can keep an eye on what my :archlinux: :kde: :plasma: system is getting up to whilst i happily browserise. When i am watching a video, i position its #PiP windowlet at the bottom LHS corner of my screen & widen it until it touches not merely the browser window's LHS edge, but overlaps it & also covers that lower portion of the #VerticalTabs column, stopping at the vertical interface of said column & the browser website page itself. If i used the VTs on the RHS, i would have to reduce the PiP windowlet to be only 390px, instead of the pleasant 645px now. So, horses for courses.

Mozilla has been talking a lot about AI, which I personally don't care much for. Luckily, that doesn't appear to be coming at the cost of Firefox development, because there are a couple of features coming up that I'm pretty excited about! The following are all available in Nightly already.

(Update: they're in regular Firefox now!)

#Mozilla #Firefox #Profiles #TabGroups #VerticalTabs

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